If you're talking about the fire flows referenced in the IFC, Appendix B, this 
seems to be an AHJ or IU call.  For the most part when the building is fully 
sprinklered only the sprinkler system demand and hose stream demands are used 
for water tank sizing.  I've not had one AHJ or IU apply the fire flow section 
of the IFC to the water supply when those conditions exist.  Now when a 
building is not protected I have had this section of the IFC applied.  However 
note that this section is not mandatory and is not a part of the actual Code.  
See wording at the top of the first page.   So it requires clarification from 
the AHJ and/or IU as to what is applicable.  But if there is no direction we 
use it as the basis.

Also note that the 75% reduction is "up to 75%" and "as approved", so it's not 
an automatic reduction.


Craig L. Prahl, CET   
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 3:40 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Fire Flow

When determining tank size on a property supplied only from a tank is the 
sprinkler demand added to fire flow as a cumulative fire flow or is it 
considered part of the fire flow? And if the former does the hose stream need 
to be added or is it negated by the fact that the tank is already supplying the 
hydrants? Example: 30,000 sqft fully sprinklered building requires a fire flow 
(reduced 75% then rounded up to the minimum) of 1500 gpm for 2 hours requiring 
a 180,000 gallon tank. The sprinkler demand is 650 gpm plus a 250 gpm hose 
stream for one hour for a total of 54,000 gallons. Is the 54K gallons included 
in whole or in part with the fire flow storage or is it added? Thanks.

--
Ron Greenman
Instructor
Fire Protection Engineering
Bates Technical College
Tacoma, WA

Member:
SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA AFAA
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