And the public hydrant requirement creates a no compliance situation
where the public utility does not allow private parties to test flow
or purveyors that only use modeling. This is akin to one state passing
a law that infringes on the sovereignty of another. The only way to
enforce compliance is through war.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:04 PM, David de Vries<[email protected]> wrote:
> Good idea about using the backflow device flow testing.  As written the 
> proposal requires testing at the private main hydrants or at the public main 
> per NFPA 291.
>
> Dave
>
> David A. de Vries, P.E., CSP
> Firetech Engineering Incorporated
> 2715 Harrison St.
> Evanston, IL 60201
> Tel: 847-733-0944
> Fax: 847-866-6255
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 9/3/09, Michael Fitz <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> From: Michael Fitz <[email protected]>
> Subject: RE: NFPA 25 Proposed Routine Water Supply Testing
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 11:48 PM
>
>
> This should not really be a problem in that every Backflow Prevention
> Assembly and Backflow device is already required to be flowed ANNUALLY at
> the system demand including hose streams (12.6.2.1 and 16.6.2.2 in the 2002
> version). People should already be figuring out how to do that including
> measuring the flow, with the exceptions allowed.
>
> How about suggesting a revision to that proposal to allow water supply
> testing through the system at least to the system demand such that the
> pressure can be compared back to the base of the riser (or whatever
> calculation point is used)?  This will provide yearly confirmation that the
> system is providing the required flow at the required pressure.
>
> Sure sounds like something that every insurance company would like to see
> recorded, including the contractors, what a better way to reduce your
> potential liability.
>
> Just put a hose monster on the system and develop several points to get a
> develop the supply curve.  The curve would end at system demand (or slightly
> above) and hopefully the tested pressure is (well) above the required
> pressure.
>
> Michael M. Fitz, P.E., C.F.I.
> MDE Inc.
> 700 S. Industrial Way
> Seattle, WA  98108
> www.MDE.com
> 206-321-1804
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David de
> Vries
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 9:07 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: NFPA 25 Proposed Routine Water Supply Testing
>
> There is a proposal in NFPA 25 to require water supply testing for sprinkler
> systems every 5 years.  No trigger, like new, high-demand construction in
> the area or deterioration in the main drain test results -- just every 5
> years run the test.  This passed the committee on a vote of 24 to 5.
>
> Anybody out there doing water supply testing for existing systems when there
> is no indication of a deteriorated supply?  Any owners asking for it?
>
> Sorry for the late heads-up.  Comments on this, and all the rest of the 205
> proposals, are due to NFPA by 5:00 p.m. EDT Friday.  I will be up early to
> prep some comments myself.
>
> Dave
>
> David A. de Vries, P.E., CSP
> Firetech Engineering Incorporated
>
>
>
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