My apologies to Mr. Law. My comment was offered as a professional
opinion among close colleagues and friends and so I considered a bit
of humor as appropriate. The intent was to infer that a small amount
of water applied early could contain a small fire far easier than one
that was allowed to grow before water was applied. That I used a term
that offended a member of this body is unfortunate.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote:
> Personally, I enjoy the levity. Also, humor tends to get people
> thinking "outside the box", which we sometimes need to do to answer
> the problems presented here.
>
>
> At 11:54 AM 9/16/2009, you wrote:
>>I would respectfully request that Mr. Greenman and others keep their
>>responses and comments professional and to the point.  Talking about
>>"pissing on the fire" hardly evokes sence of
>>professionalism.  Sometimes the traffic on this forum is not what I
>>would expect from a group of professionals and errodes my confidence
>>in turning to it as a source of technical information and advise.
>>
>>Kevin Law, PE
>>Bechtel National, Inc.
>>Waste Treatment Project
>>Fire Protection Engineering
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [email protected]
>>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
>>Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:32 PM
>>To: [email protected]
>>Subject: Re: Heads Under Platforms
>>
>>Somehow he must have the idea that if there is a fire under the
>>platform that it's better to wait until it releases enough heat to
>>fuse the ceiling heads that are shielded by the platform. My
>>preference would be to start pissing on the fire as soon as possible.
>>Uses less piss and burns up less stuff. So yes, he has backwards
>>thinking. Everything about the codes seems to (typically 'cause
>>there's always exceptions) direct the designer to get the water on
>>the fire as fast as possible. Why would you not want to do that?
>>
>>On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Forest Wilson
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>> > In response to question 1, I utilize the listed shield in similar
>> > applications. It can't do any harm.
>> > In response to question 2, I don't use intermediate heads under duct
>> > or similar obstructions. I'm unaware of a requiement in NFPA 13 to do
>> > this.
>> >
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>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Thomas Watt <[email protected]>
>> > To: [email protected]
>> > Sent: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:39:51 -0400
>> > Subject: Heads Under Platforms
>> >
>> >    I have a fire house which has 3 poles dropping from the living
>> > quarters to platforms in the apparatus bay. At this point they drop
>> > from a separate pole to the ground level. These platforms are steel
>> > with slots approximately
>> > 1/4 inch by 6 inches long. I piped them out with 155 QR Uprights the
>> > same as the high ceiling.
>> >
>> > Question: Shall/should these heads have a rack type shield to prevent
>> > cold-solder?
>> >
>> > Question:  AHJ wants Intermediate heads so that they dont fuse before
>> > upper coverage  responds. (He didn't say anything about the heads
>> > under
>> > ductwork.)
>> > Isn't this backward thinking? I would think you would want the closest
>> > head to activate first. Right?
>> >
>> > Thomas
>> >
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