Garth my friend, civility, please. Mr. Law had a valid point. He's new
to the Forum and its culture. He's been chastised. He and I have
communicated privately and I think we're both OK. I am at least. And I
think he'll get in our groove and become a valuable contributor to our
ongoing conversations. Remember that huge gaff I made with Haji last
week? Lots of apologies publicly and privately. The matter has been
dropped. I hope I've been forgiven. And so we move on. Take care.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Garth W. Warren <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Maybe you can take the knot out of your shorts whilst you read one of the
> other forums that makes you feel better about yourself.  And get a spell
> check.
>
> Garth
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Law, Kevin W" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:54 AM
> Subject: RE: Heads Under Platforms
>
>
> I would respectfully request that Mr. Greenman and others keep their
> responses and comments professional and to the point.  Talking about
> "pissing on the fire" hardly evokes sence of professionalism.  Sometimes the
> traffic on this forum is not what I would expect from a group of
> professionals and errodes my confidence in turning to it as a source of
> technical information and advise.
>
> Kevin Law, PE
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:32 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Heads Under Platforms
>
> Somehow he must have the idea that if there is a fire under the platform
> that it's better to wait until it releases enough heat to fuse the ceiling
> heads that are shielded by the platform. My preference would be to start
> pissing on the fire as soon as possible.
> Uses less piss and burns up less stuff. So yes, he has backwards thinking.
> Everything about the codes seems to (typically 'cause there's always
> exceptions) direct the designer to get the water on the fire as fast as
> possible. Why would you not want to do that?
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Forest Wilson <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> In response to question 1, I utilize the listed shield in similar
>> applications. It can't do any harm.
>> In response to question 2, I don't use intermediate heads under duct
>> or similar obstructions. I'm unaware of a requiement in NFPA 13 to do
>> this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Forest Wilson
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Thomas Watt <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:39:51 -0400
>> Subject: Heads Under Platforms
>>
>> I have a fire house which has 3 poles dropping from the living
>> quarters to platforms in the apparatus bay. At this point they drop
>> from a separate pole to the ground level. These platforms are steel
>> with slots approximately
>> 1/4 inch by 6 inches long. I piped them out with 155 QR Uprights the
>> same as the high ceiling.
>>
>> Question: Shall/should these heads have a rack type shield to prevent
>> cold-solder?
>>
>> Question: AHJ wants Intermediate heads so that they dont fuse before
>> upper coverage responds. (He didn't say anything about the heads
>> under
>> ductwork.)
>> Isn't this backward thinking? I would think you would want the closest
>> head to activate first. Right?
>>
>> Thomas
>>
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