Only one I've ever seen is marked, "FINAL DRAFT, JULY 2006".

Steve Leyton
Protection Design & Consulting
San Diego, CA




-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
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derblitzkrieger
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:07 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Inadequte Water

Is there a non-draft version of that document?  I can only seem to find
the
draft version, and I had to use google.  Couldn't find it through the
front
end of the WBDG.

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Steve Leyton
<[email protected]>wrote:

> UFC 3-600-10N, 2-3.1.1.1.   We have been required to use 15 PSI for RP
> types, detecting or non-detecting.
>
> Steve Leyton
> Protection Design & Consulting
> San Diego, CA
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mark
> Sornsin
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:12 AM
> To: '[email protected]'
> Subject: RE: Inadequte Water
>
> Steve:
>
> Which UFL standard is requiring the 12 psi drop across the backflow?
> This is the second time I've heard of this but have not yet had to
deal
> with it (I don't know why not).
>
> I would LOVE to have a sit-down with the 'powers that be' responsible
> for the UFC standards. E.g. where do they get the 3,000 sq.ft design
> area crap?  They say it's common HPR requirements in the civilian
world
> - except I worked for FM and we NEVER required 3,000 sq.ft. design
areas
> for light or ordinary hazard-equivalent occupancies. Maybe they just
> want to cover themselves in case a combustible concealed space
> appears...
>
> Mark A. Sornsin, PE
> Fire Protection Engineer
> Ulteig Engineers, Inc.
> 3350 38th Avenue S.
> Fargo, ND 58104-7079
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve
> Kowkabany
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:18 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Inadequte Water
>
> I have the single most frustrating water issue I have ever had going
on
> right now Greg.  I am working on this small commercial entrance
facility
> at
> a military base in Georgia.  We are only sprinklering a small 3,800
sqft
> cargo transfer building and getting the water from the local utility
> rather
> than the base.
>
> We designed based on modeling data that was the only thing available
at
> design (there was no water within a mile then) and had no problem
making
> the
> small light hazard wet system work.
>
> Last week the underground was finally finished and we had our main run
> up to
> the building and some nearby hydrants to test, so we tested them -
55/25
> at
> 750 gpm.  Bad water but still enough to make an little light hazard
wet
> system work right?
>
> Not once you take a 3,000 sqft design area, a 500 gpm hose allowance
due
> to
> the presence of 300 sqft of OH1 rooms, and a mandatory 12 psi pressure
> across the BFP regardless of the fact that it is actually a
double-check
> -
> all mandatory per UFC codes.  After all that, you need 850 gpm at 40
psi
> to
> make this system work and we are looking at a pump and a tank!
>
> It's a very frustrating situation, so feel free to tell your AHJ he is
> not
> alone.
>
>
> Steve Kowkabany, P.E.
> Fire Protection Engineer
> Neptune Fire Protection Engineering LLC
> 616 Davis Street
> Neptune Beach, FL 32266
> 904-652-4200 Phone
> 904-212-0868 Fax
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