Only one I've ever seen is marked, "FINAL DRAFT, JULY 2006". Steve Leyton Protection Design & Consulting San Diego, CA
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of derblitzkrieger Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Inadequte Water Is there a non-draft version of that document? I can only seem to find the draft version, and I had to use google. Couldn't find it through the front end of the WBDG. On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Steve Leyton <[email protected]>wrote: > UFC 3-600-10N, 2-3.1.1.1. We have been required to use 15 PSI for RP > types, detecting or non-detecting. > > Steve Leyton > Protection Design & Consulting > San Diego, CA > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mark > Sornsin > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:12 AM > To: '[email protected]' > Subject: RE: Inadequte Water > > Steve: > > Which UFL standard is requiring the 12 psi drop across the backflow? > This is the second time I've heard of this but have not yet had to deal > with it (I don't know why not). > > I would LOVE to have a sit-down with the 'powers that be' responsible > for the UFC standards. E.g. where do they get the 3,000 sq.ft design > area crap? They say it's common HPR requirements in the civilian world > - except I worked for FM and we NEVER required 3,000 sq.ft. design areas > for light or ordinary hazard-equivalent occupancies. Maybe they just > want to cover themselves in case a combustible concealed space > appears... > > Mark A. Sornsin, PE > Fire Protection Engineer > Ulteig Engineers, Inc. > 3350 38th Avenue S. > Fargo, ND 58104-7079 > > Direct: 701. 280.8591 > Fax: 701.280.8739 > Cell: 701.371.5759 > > [email protected] > www.ulteig.com > > Confidentiality Notice > This message may contain privileged and confidential information. If you > think, for any reason, this message may have been addressed to you in > error, you must not disseminate copy or take any action in reliance on > it, and we would ask you to notify me immediately by return email to > [email protected]. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve > Kowkabany > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:18 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Inadequte Water > > I have the single most frustrating water issue I have ever had going on > right now Greg. I am working on this small commercial entrance facility > at > a military base in Georgia. We are only sprinklering a small 3,800 sqft > cargo transfer building and getting the water from the local utility > rather > than the base. > > We designed based on modeling data that was the only thing available at > design (there was no water within a mile then) and had no problem making > the > small light hazard wet system work. > > Last week the underground was finally finished and we had our main run > up to > the building and some nearby hydrants to test, so we tested them - 55/25 > at > 750 gpm. Bad water but still enough to make an little light hazard wet > system work right? > > Not once you take a 3,000 sqft design area, a 500 gpm hose allowance due > to > the presence of 300 sqft of OH1 rooms, and a mandatory 12 psi pressure > across the BFP regardless of the fact that it is actually a double-check > - > all mandatory per UFC codes. After all that, you need 850 gpm at 40 psi > to > make this system work and we are looking at a pump and a tank! > > It's a very frustrating situation, so feel free to tell your AHJ he is > not > alone. > > > Steve Kowkabany, P.E. > Fire Protection Engineer > Neptune Fire Protection Engineering LLC > 616 Davis Street > Neptune Beach, FL 32266 > 904-652-4200 Phone > 904-212-0868 Fax > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected]<to%3ASprinklerforum-request@ firesprinkler.org> > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4454 (20090924) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4454 (20090924) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected]<to%3ASprinklerforum-request@ firesprinkler.org> > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4454 (20090924) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
