You're right but that's not the point. The point is maybe the particular design 
area is not indicative of the whole building's situation. Maybe the most 
demanding area could be looped at the branchlines then a supplemental calc 
performed on the next most demanding area which would establish the norm for 
the rest of the building. Since most of the time your most demanding area is 
going to be the one, not neccessarily farthest from the riser but the one with 
the most sprinklers in your design area or the higher occupancy classification 
which may not be the case for the typical areas of the building. A secondary 
calc could establish that but the primary could be calc'd for it's specific 
characteristics.


--- On Thu, 9/24/09, Timothy W Goins <[email protected]> wrote:


From: Timothy W Goins <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Inadequate Water
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 4:26 PM


"maybe looping a few of the branchlines in the most demanding area would
solve things" I always thought that the remote area calcs and design set the
standard/minimum for the entire system. No one knows, but GOD and an
arsonist, where the actual remote area might be or fire may start/be.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ralphy
Henderson
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:10 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Inadequate Water


Isn't an issue of 5 psi really a non issue? I mean, you generally have an
AHJ mandated safety factor (or should) of 5-10%, a hose allowance that may
or may not be used, plus calculations that are based upon Hazen-Williams
which in itself is not as accurate as other methods and provides an
additional safety margin. 
Not only that but there are usually design options as well. Perhaps the
remote area could be re-evaluated - maybe there's that head in the closet
that really doesn't need to be included in the calcs, maybe looping a few of
the branchlines in the most demanding area would solve things, changing BFP
to a more friendly friction loss model, did the hydraulics program use the
modified equivalent lengths based upon NFPA #13 or were these considerably
rounded up by default (I've seen that)? Could changing sprinklers to larger
/ smaller orifice help, sliding up and down the design density curve to meet
actual calculated sq. ft'g (if no reductions are taken) etc.. Even without
consideration of the above it would seem that 5 psi is not lawsuit material
- at least to me. As long as this is not storage or extra hazard I don't see
what the big deal is. -Ralphy




      
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