Ok, my last comment - -there is NO architect NO FPE - no anything but US. Guy calls, pls come put heads in these coolers. We call the fire chief, he says, yes, just put heads in the coolers.
That's it. No requirements, no clarifications, no answers. Thanks for the input. Greg McGahan Operations Manager Living Water Fire Protection 1160 McKenzie Road P.O. Box 877 Cantonment, Florida 32533 (850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Forest Wilson Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: walk in freezers Since the fed govmt is the owner, they should be more apt to accept reality than a private owner. The Architect should have considered this before the plans and specs were issued. I would tell them the plans lack proper design and since the specs don't allow you to install piping in the freezer than the Architect needs to modify his design. You can't do the impossible. You are in the right, so put it back in the Architects lap. Maybe on the next job they will consider consulting a FPE before the plans are issued. Forest Wilson Project Manager Cherokee Fire Protection Co. 3195 Dayton Xenia Rd Ste 900 Dayton OH 45434 ph: 937-376-2333 fx: 614-455-4324 cell: 937-307-5647 . Visit our blog: www.cherokee-fire.blogspot.com NOTICE: The information contained in this email is intended to be solely for the use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may contain information that is privileged or otherwise confidential. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, anyone other than the named addressee (or a person authorized to deliver it to the named addressee). It should not be copied or forwarded to any unauthorized persons. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply email or by calling Cherokee Fire Protection Co. at 888-347-3079 toll free. -----Original Message----- From: Greg McGahan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:32 am Subject: RE: walk in freezers I can put ec sidewalls, but again, they won't meet the letter of the law as far s obstructions go. I believe that one ss sidewall will flood that space and we would be fine, but las, code doesn't say that. Because these are free standing, and there are only that are adjacent, reason would dictate that only the heads in 2 coolers would ver go off at once. Calced out, we have plenty of water. Greg McGahan perations Manager Living Water Fire Protection 160 McKenzie Road .O. Box 877 antonment, Florida 32533 850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231 [email protected] ----Original Message----- rom: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] n Behalf Of Chris Cahill ent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:29 AM o: [email protected] ubject: RE: walk in freezers AF loop with EC SW? Chris Cahill, P.E. ire Protection Engineer entry Fire Protection, Inc. 63-658-4483 63-658-4921 fax mail: [email protected] ail: P.O. Box 69 Waverly, MN 55390 ocation: 4439 Hwy 12 SW Waverly, MN 55390 ----Original Message----- rom: [email protected] mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan ent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:26 AM o: [email protected] ubject: RE: walk in freezers BTW, the ones I was referring to are the ones installed outside the building ith the door being on the inside the building. Hence the sidewalls. The reason I am asking the question in this particular case is that the nits are free standing outside and we DO know what they are storing in hem. Pendents are out of the question per the owner - Fed Govt - and the ire Chief is unsure of what he wants. He is trying to make a bad situation etter and we are trying to do it correctly without going overboard. 2 of he coolers are side by side with a common wall so there is no way to put idewalls on opposite sides of the wall even if we wanted to. They don't ant pipe inside, EC heads will not meet the letter of the law due to the nits inside. I was trying to get a feel for what others are seeing/doing in these cases. Greg McGahan perations Manager Living Water Fire Protection 160 McKenzie Road .O. Box 877 antonment, Florida 32533 850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231 [email protected] ----Original Message----- rom: [email protected] mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] ent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:36 AM o: [email protected] ubject: RE: walk in freezers Most of the time it depends on the arrangement of the evaporators in the reezer and rack layouts. When the HVAC units are hung down the center you an most times access the walls for HSW's but if the evaps are down the ides you can often use dry pendants in the ceilings. raig L. Prahl, CET ire Protection Specialist echanical Department H2MHILL ockwood Greene 500 International Drive O Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 irect - 864.599.4102 ax - 864.599.8439 [email protected] ttp://www.ch2m.com ----Original Message----- rom: [email protected] mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] ent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:31 AM o: [email protected] ubject: Re: walk in freezers n central Puget Sound I am used to seeing dry pendant sprinklers used in reezers. I've seldom seen sidewalls used. Bruce Verhei ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Forest Wilson" <[email protected]> o: [email protected] ent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:09:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific ubject: Re: walk in freezers This came up on a recent job. he GC said that everyone else does it, so why can't we? told them they would need to sign a waiver and obtain Building Official pproval. The problem is the fact that everyone else is doing it, as you reference. hey are setting a false standard. I stood my ground and won the battle with the GC. At the close of the roject, there was a meeting with the Architect called "Lessons Learned" hich all subcontractors were asked to attend. suggested that they invest in consulting a FPE to review their plans for atters such as this. They replied that the jobs are bid design build for ire protection. didn't bother explaining that the individual that prepares my shop rawings is a Fire Sprinkler Layout Technician and not a Designer/PE and hat most sprinkler companies do not employ PEs. f your customer would have consulted an FPE prior to bid, the PE may have aid that we need room to run piping along the freezer. Pretending the problem doesn't exist is not the best solution, I would tell hem you need room to run the pipe unless they want to pay extra for a dry ystem or antifreeze. lso, if you use the large K factor dry sidewalls they zany store within 36" f ceiling? Most owners would decline that option. orest Wilson Project Manager herokee Fire Protection Co. 195 Dayton Xenia Rd Ste 900 ayton OH 45434 ph: 937-376-2333 x: 614-455-4324 ell: 937-307-5647 Visit our blog: www.cherokee-fire.blogspot.com NOTICE: The information contained in this email is intended to be solely for he use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may ontain information that is privileged or otherwise confidential. It is not ntended for transmission to, or receipt by, anyone other than the named ddressee (or a person authorized to deliver it to the named addressee). It hould not be copied or forwarded to any unauthorized persons. If you have eceived this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from our system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the rror by reply email or by calling Cherokee Fire Protection Co. at 88-347-3079 toll free. ----Original Message----- rom: Jack Leadbetter <[email protected]> o: [email protected] <[email protected]> c: <[email protected]> [email protected]> ent: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:27:18 -0400 ubject: Re: walk in freezers You have to do it correctly-period! Sent from Jack Leadbetter's Phone On Oct 28, 2009, at 7:13 PM, "Tom Duross" <[email protected]> wrote: > Guilty George Church Subject: walk in freezers OK, honesty time here. None of the companies I worked for in the past ever adhered to the 10x10 spacing rules for sidewalls in walk-in freezers and coolers. Is this common? I know that many times you can't feasibly put heads down the side and are forced to install them in the end making the coverage length well over 10'. Comments? 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