Maybe they can get some stimulus money to hire FPEs.......
At 11:00 AM 10/29/2009, you wrote: >Since the fed govmt is the owner, they should be more apt to accept >reality than a private owner. >The Architect should have considered this before the plans and specs >were issued. >I would tell them the plans lack proper design and since the specs >don't allow you to install piping in the freezer than the Architect >needs to modify his design. >You can't do the impossible. You are in the right, so put it back in >the Architects lap. Maybe on the next job they will consider >consulting a FPE before the plans are issued. > > >Forest Wilson > >Project Manager >Cherokee Fire Protection Co. >3195 Dayton Xenia Rd Ste 900 >Dayton OH 45434 > >ph: 937-376-2333 >fx: 614-455-4324 >cell: 937-307-5647 > > >. > > > >Visit our blog: www.cherokee-fire.blogspot.com > > > > > > > >NOTICE: The information contained in this email is intended to be >solely for the use of the named individual or entity to which it is >directed and may contain information that is privileged or otherwise >confidential. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, >anyone other than the named addressee (or a person authorized to >deliver it to the named addressee). It should not be copied or >forwarded to any unauthorized persons. If you have received this >electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your >system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of >the error by reply email or by calling Cherokee Fire Protection Co. >at 888-347-3079 toll free. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Greg McGahan <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:32 am >Subject: RE: walk in freezers > > > >I can put ec sidewalls, but again, they won't meet the letter of the >law as far >s obstructions go. >I believe that one ss sidewall will flood that space and we would be >fine, but >las, code doesn't say that. Because these are free standing, and >there are only > that are adjacent, reason would dictate that only the heads in 2 > coolers would >ver go off at once. Calced out, we have plenty of water. >Greg McGahan >perations Manager >Living Water Fire Protection >160 McKenzie Road >.O. Box 877 >antonment, Florida 32533 >850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231 >[email protected] > >----Original Message----- >rom: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] >n Behalf Of Chris Cahill >ent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:29 AM >o: [email protected] >ubject: RE: walk in freezers >AF loop with EC SW? >Chris Cahill, P.E. >ire Protection Engineer >entry Fire Protection, Inc. > >63-658-4483 >63-658-4921 fax > >mail: [email protected] > >ail: P.O. Box 69 > Waverly, MN 55390 > >ocation: 4439 Hwy 12 SW > Waverly, MN 55390 >----Original Message----- >rom: [email protected] >mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan >ent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:26 AM >o: [email protected] >ubject: RE: walk in freezers >BTW, the ones I was referring to are the ones installed outside the building >ith the door being on the inside the building. Hence the sidewalls. >The reason I am asking the question in this particular case is that the >nits are free standing outside and we DO know what they are storing in >hem. Pendents are out of the question per the owner - Fed Govt - and the >ire Chief is unsure of what he wants. He is trying to make a bad situation >etter and we are trying to do it correctly without going overboard. 2 of >he coolers are side by side with a common wall so there is no way to put >idewalls on opposite sides of the wall even if we wanted to. They don't >ant pipe inside, EC heads will not meet the letter of the law due to the >nits inside. >I was trying to get a feel for what others are seeing/doing in these cases. >Greg McGahan >perations Manager >Living Water Fire Protection >160 McKenzie Road >.O. Box 877 >antonment, Florida 32533 >850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231 >[email protected] > >----Original Message----- >rom: [email protected] >mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >[email protected] >ent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:36 AM >o: [email protected] >ubject: RE: walk in freezers >Most of the time it depends on the arrangement of the evaporators in the >reezer and rack layouts. When the HVAC units are hung down the center you >an most times access the walls for HSW's but if the evaps are down the >ides you can often use dry pendants in the ceilings. > >raig L. Prahl, CET >ire Protection Specialist >echanical Department >H2MHILL >ockwood Greene >500 International Drive >O Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >irect - 864.599.4102 >ax - 864.599.8439 >[email protected] >ttp://www.ch2m.com > >----Original Message----- >rom: [email protected] >mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >[email protected] >ent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 4:31 AM >o: [email protected] >ubject: Re: walk in freezers > >n central Puget Sound I am used to seeing dry pendant sprinklers used in >reezers. I've seldom seen sidewalls used. >Bruce Verhei >----- Original Message ----- >rom: "Forest Wilson" <[email protected]> >o: [email protected] >ent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:09:55 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific >ubject: Re: walk in freezers >This came up on a recent job. >he GC said that everyone else does it, so why can't we? > told them they would need to sign a waiver and obtain Building Official >pproval. >The problem is the fact that everyone else is doing it, as you reference. >hey are setting a false standard. >I stood my ground and won the battle with the GC. At the close of the >roject, there was a meeting with the Architect called "Lessons Learned" >hich all subcontractors were asked to attend. > suggested that they invest in consulting a FPE to review their plans for >atters such as this. They replied that the jobs are bid design build for >ire protection. > didn't bother explaining that the individual that prepares my shop >rawings is a Fire Sprinkler Layout Technician and not a Designer/PE and >hat most sprinkler companies do not employ PEs. >f your customer would have consulted an FPE prior to bid, the PE may have >aid that we need room to run piping along the freezer. >Pretending the problem doesn't exist is not the best solution, I would tell >hem you need room to run the pipe unless they want to pay extra for a dry >ystem or antifreeze. >lso, if you use the large K factor dry sidewalls they zany store within 36" >f ceiling? Most owners would decline that option. > >orest Wilson >Project Manager >herokee Fire Protection Co. >195 Dayton Xenia Rd Ste 900 >ayton OH 45434 >ph: 937-376-2333 >x: 614-455-4324 >ell: 937-307-5647 > > > >Visit our blog: www.cherokee-fire.blogspot.com > > > >NOTICE: The information contained in this email is intended to be solely for >he use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may >ontain information that is privileged or otherwise confidential. It is not >ntended for transmission to, or receipt by, anyone other than the named >ddressee (or a person authorized to deliver it to the named addressee). It >hould not be copied or forwarded to any unauthorized persons. If you have >eceived this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from >our system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the >rror by reply email or by calling Cherokee Fire Protection Co. at >88-347-3079 toll free. > >----Original Message----- >rom: Jack Leadbetter <[email protected]> >o: [email protected] <[email protected]> >c: <[email protected]> >[email protected]> >ent: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:27:18 -0400 >ubject: Re: walk in freezers >You have to do it correctly-period! >Sent from Jack Leadbetter's >Phone >On Oct 28, 2009, at 7:13 PM, "Tom Duross" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Guilty > > George Church > > > Subject: walk in freezers > > OK, honesty time here. None of the companies I worked for in the past > ever adhered to the 10x10 spacing rules for sidewalls in walk-in > freezers and coolers. > > > > Is this common? 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