Ron,

You've got it right, except we get 12 senators instead of 2 by 
special dispensation.

Do I smell road trip?

T


At 05:33 PM 12/5/2009, you wrote:
>Tom,
>
>When you say loony bin are you talking about guests, construction (as
>you've just brought up) or both? Next year AFSA is going to be in
>Rhode Island. That's close to Massachusetts, right? And both are like
>counties, like of New England State, right? }:-)>
>
>On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Tom Duross <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Ron:
> > If you're ever up (or over) this way, check out the Fernald State School in
> > Waltham, MA.  It's a loony bin.  It's where James Taylor wrote "Fire and
> > Rain".  12" ductile, 2 1500 GPM pumps, all grooved and flanged, the whole
> > room is 12" ductile; huge, heavy and high in the air.  Oh, and all
> > belowground,  a bunker with 20' ceilings, built during the cold war era.
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > Good to know. Are they expecting the pump to be merely ductile or are
> > they requiring one of those impossible to find at a price that won't
> > break the Bank of Dubai pumps listed for per AWWA and UL?FM. Just had
> > that come up on a private pump for a college campus where the EOR said
> > it had to meet both criteria because there were fire lines off the
> > dual duty loop. He was finally convinced that that loop for this small
> > city sized campus was similar to a municipal loop and so the pump
> > didn't need to rated for fire service. Then on the on-campus the high
> > rises that needed booster pumps anyways and were off dedicated lines
> > attached to the loop the pumps were UL/FM listed. My favorite Navy
> > backflow install entailed a six inch riser splitting into a six inch
> > bulk main and a four inch bulk main at about thirty feet off the
> > floor. On the four in main (remember this is after the split) there is
> > a four inch RPBA (remember thirty feet off the ground) installed with
> > mega-lugs and rodding (guess what kind of contractor got that bid) and
> > it's all over some machinery for a certain type of weapons testing
> > (wish I could supply a photo but it's one of those have a camera and
> > go to jail forever places). I pointed this out to the Navy Fire
> > Department inspector years ago. This was years ago and hopefully it
> > went to whomever is responsible (maybe the NAVFAC) and it's been
> > corrected by now. Same building had the overhead crane grounded to the
> > sprinkler system.
> >
> >
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>--
>Ron Greenman
>Instructor
>Fire Protection Engineering
>Bates Technical College
>Tacoma, WA
>
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