the main point is that almost all (redundant) system components,
fiittings, banging on hangers (if you've ever witnessed a system in
"flow" mode) and piping are rated for a working pressure of 175 psi A
FIRE PUMP IS SERIOUS FLOW..just go hold a 2 1/2" line..I dare ya

On 4/5/10, Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] <[email protected]> wrote:
> Although I don't have any specifics, I heard there have been cases where the
> main relief valve was improperly set and thus hindering fire fighting
> operations.  The handbook to section 5.7.6.2 (2007 edition) states the
> reason for excluding them is because they are maintenance intensive.
>
> Ken Isman, from that 'other' association, may have more information.  I know
> he was heavily involved with the re-write of this section of code and has
> been involved with the fire pump handbook in the past.
>
> Duane Johnson, PE
> Program Manager
> Division of the Fire Marshal (Support Contractor)
> Office of Research Services
> National Institutes of Health
> 301-496-0487
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frans Stoop [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 11:55 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Pressure relief valves to flatten the pump curve
>
> Forumites,
>
> NFPA 20 - 2007 par. 5.7.6.2 ( = 2010 par. 4.7.7.2)  says:
> "Pressure relief valves and pressure regulating devices in the fire
> pump installation shall not be used as a means to meet the
> requirements of 5.7.6.1." (= 2010 par. 4.7.7.1)
>
> I ask this question because it seems to be not unusual in my country
> to fit fire pumps with a pressure relief valve to limit the churn
> pressure below 175 psi in systems that need a high pressure (e.g. 165
> psi) in the point of operation. Thus flattening the first part of the
> curve up to the point of operation.
> This happens to both, engine driven as well as electric driven fire pumps.
> In engine driven pumps they use for this purpose the same relief
> valve as mentioned in section 5.18 "Relief Valves for Centrifugal
> Pumps" (= 2010 section 4.18).
>
> Can anyone tell me why this par. 5.7.6.2 says: "shall not be used" ?
> Why did the committee put this in the code ?
> I remember times when it was not in there.
> Is this based on bad experiences?
>
> When I point other technicians to this rule a common response is "Why
> ? We do it all the time! "
>
> Can anyone of you shed some light on this issue?
>
> Frans Stoop
> TOS architecture & fire protection
> Netherlands <[email protected]>
> Tel. +31-24-324 0112
>
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