Agreed, bad Juju. But when the owner gets the quote for install new $$$$$, remove old $$$$$, haul off old $$$$, they almost always choose the leave the existing in place.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: abandoned pipe I don't think this is a problem, just bad Juju. Quoted text from Ron Fletcher: "I heard that we had the inspector scratching his head trying to figure it out." How about the IT inspector? How about just quality of workmanship? I used to be an electrician when young and I was always the troubleshooter. Being young I didn't realize that the more complicated the problem the job security I had, but rather spent a whole lot of energy being peeved at electricians that abandoned wiring and left it in place. You could spend days chasing wires to nothing looking for the cause of a dead circuit. Being generous those wires might be useful 2% of the time. Empty conduit buried behind walls could be useful as freeway through inaccessible spaces but abandoned wires were always the wrong color or size or insulation type or.... Same with abandoned sprinkler pipe. It's just a scrap metal bank that doesn't collect interest. If you don't need recycle it. If it's not recyclable toss it. Leaving old pipe is like taking a dump in your friends living room. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote: > Load is not a problem. This is an old concrete high-rise built i two > parts between 1896 and 1930. Lots of over-design. > > > > At 09:32 AM 4/8/2010, you wrote: >>Would this create a building weight load problem? Will the building support >>all of this weight? >> >>Chris Payne >>FPS >>Owensboro, KY >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Ron >>Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:24 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: RE: abandoned pipe >> >>Some years ago we did an upgrade/replacement and abandoned the existing >>system in place. We even used some of the old mains as trapeze hangers >>for the new mains. I wasn't there but I heard that we had the inspector >>scratching his head trying to figure it out. I sent a picture into FPC >>Magazine for the "What's wrong with this picture" and was put in the >>mag. It looked awful but we could find no apparent code violation. >> >>Ron Fletcher >>Aero Automatic >>Phoenix, AZ >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd >>Williams >>Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 5:57 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: abandoned pipe >> >>I was looking at a job yesterday where a new system had been >>installed about 15 years ago. Prior to that, they had a partial >>system which was capped off an abandoned above the new ceiling. (the >>new system provided coverage where the old system had previously). >>The old system still has sprinklers installed. I told the contractor >>that the sprinklers had to be removed. My question is does the pipe >>need to be removed as well? I couldn't find any specific code >>references for either. The job is in MA. Thoughts? >> >>Todd G. 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