The applicable code section regarding the removal of non required fire protection system is not in NFPA 13 or the IBC. It is in Section 901.6 of the IFC (2006)
901.6 Inspection, testing and maintenance. Fire detection, alarm and extinguishing systems shall be maintained in an operative condition at all times, and shall be replaced or repaired where defective. Nonrequired fire protection systems and equipment shall be inspected, tested and maintained or removed. Some jurisdictions will apply "removed" to be fully removed. Others may allow removal only of the parts that are visible. There is no single, correct answer. It depends upon how the AHJ wants to apply this IFC provision. Robert J. Pielow, P.E. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: abandoned pipe Three screened suction intakes off the bottom of the pool min 6' apart so one person can't block all and have their intestines pulled out- it's happened. 8" to keep the velocity down. Order fire pump with knowledge of pool additives. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Grise Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:26 PM To: '[email protected]' Subject: RE: abandoned pipe Just curious: how do you keep children and pool toys out of the pump inlet? Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP Sales Engineer Alliance Fire Protection *Licensed in KS & MO 913.888.0647 ph 913.888.0618 f 913.927.0222 cell www. AFPsprink.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: abandoned pipe If applicable code didn't require, Ron faced what isn't all that unusual, and reminds me of the two times we used swimming pools for pump suction- We do a lot because it's the right thing to do. Lots of these things don't cost a lot, sometimes, like a tank, they do. I don't like using a pool, but I'm not donating a tank to the job cause I don't like what the owner wants to do; nor am I necessarily walking away from a job because of this. Once every 18 years I've used a pool for water supply, and they work. Other things are a little hairier. We generally use a 2,000 GPM pump on ESFR jobs. Its 10" not 8" so our costs go up, not insignificantly. But when the tenant adds a conveyor and the design area goes from 12 to 14 heads, we don't want to say you need a new pump. We explain this, but imagine we do lose jobs over the difference. If you're selling the GC not the developer/owner, it's a harder sell- or they just don't care/don't understand. I know, bid 1500 and add alt for 2,000 is possible, etc. glc -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Duross Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: abandoned pipe You beat me to it Dave. I knew there was a 'false sense of security' clause on 1 somewhere. I always thought it only meant heads, devices, etc. Tom NFPA 1 (2003, Edition) 4.5.8.2 Existing life safety features obvious to the public, if not required by the Code, shall be either maintained or removed. David Autry _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
