Ps I'm not endorsing this practice, doubt they'll shut the hotel down when they paint the pool. But if you have to, those were some relevant considerations to include.
The owner in one of these was a royal PIA. Insisted we put the water back in the pool after pump test. Our techie argued but he was adamant. Ok! Hose monsters discharging SPRINKLER WATER after it'd been thru 6" galv pump suction piping, the black steel pipe and fittings between pump discharge and test header....He threw his hands up in the air when the crap spewed out but it was too late- he drained and cleaned his new pool. We resisted temptation to say "I told you so" and didn't ROTFL until in the stair tower and out of his eyesight. At the end of a job you know there are those a$$holes that even in this economy, you don't want as customers. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Grise Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:26 PM To: '[email protected]' Subject: RE: abandoned pipe Just curious: how do you keep children and pool toys out of the pump inlet? Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP Sales Engineer Alliance Fire Protection *Licensed in KS & MO 913.888.0647 ph 913.888.0618 f 913.927.0222 cell www. AFPsprink.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: abandoned pipe If applicable code didn't require, Ron faced what isn't all that unusual, and reminds me of the two times we used swimming pools for pump suction- We do a lot because it's the right thing to do. Lots of these things don't cost a lot, sometimes, like a tank, they do. I don't like using a pool, but I'm not donating a tank to the job cause I don't like what the owner wants to do; nor am I necessarily walking away from a job because of this. Once every 18 years I've used a pool for water supply, and they work. Other things are a little hairier. We generally use a 2,000 GPM pump on ESFR jobs. Its 10" not 8" so our costs go up, not insignificantly. But when the tenant adds a conveyor and the design area goes from 12 to 14 heads, we don't want to say you need a new pump. We explain this, but imagine we do lose jobs over the difference. If you're selling the GC not the developer/owner, it's a harder sell- or they just don't care/don't understand. I know, bid 1500 and add alt for 2,000 is possible, etc. glc -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Duross Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: abandoned pipe You beat me to it Dave. I knew there was a 'false sense of security' clause on 1 somewhere. I always thought it only meant heads, devices, etc. Tom NFPA 1 (2003, Edition) 4.5.8.2 Existing life safety features obvious to the public, if not required by the Code, shall be either maintained or removed. David Autry _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
