George, it's not a matter of what is better. It was the overall way this guy did business. Mention his name to any sprinkler contractor around here and all you hear is groans of pain and sympathy.
Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [email protected] http://www.ch2m.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 11:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Salary He may have had more heads in some or all of his work and that's overdesign, but designing and installing additional uprights vrs a lesser number of ATTIC sprinklers doesn't necessarily result in an overdesign. My understanding is that ATTIC sprinklers provide a higher level of protection than SSU's in a similar application. I've not had anyone correct what I heard was how the ATTICS came to life, CSC was testing CPVC feeding pendents in a typical nursing home attic with SSU protection, and the roof burnt off. That made em think maybe there's a better way to protect attics, and there was. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:56 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: RE: Salary Case in point, I worked for a design house for about two months in between jobs, we did a building where attic sprinklers would have been the best choice, met all the design and installation criteria. This saved money on installation, the owner of the design house said NO, that we were to use traditional upright heads because the count was higher and the makes us more money. So everything he did was over designed. Oh and BTW the term BIM, is not even close to being related to the 3-D design that is currently done. The 3-D design models are nothing more than construction documents. Real BIM modeling goes WAAAAAY beyond just a 3D rendition of a building. Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [email protected] http://www.ch2m.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Salary It depends on what the design house is being hired for. I do much of my work out of state, or out of the country. For those, a site survey is impractical. For projects that use the BIM process, then we readily incorporate into that as I draw in Autosprink which is fully 3D. For local projects where a site survey is required, then we readily perform those as it is included in the pricing structure. I don't know that pricing per head is necessarily wrong. I offer a $X per head or $0.x / sq ft, whichever is less expensive to the client. My regular customers know my per head costs and the sq ft cost is based on a sliding scale that is done with an excel spreadsheet. My customers know my price before they bid the job. So far, it seems to have worked out well. Remember, just as in installation, the customer is paying for a level of service that they want and/or need. On 5/24/2010 7:26 AM, [email protected] wrote: > It has not been uncommon for some design houses to not even do model coordination. They get the architectural plan and do their design based on that alone. All coordination with other trades is done in the field. These type places are all about production, they base fees on the number of heads on the drawing so systems are over designed. > > What some companies fail to understand is that for the most part, if you underpay someone or find someone who works cheap, it will probably cost you more in the long run. > > > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection Specialist > Mechanical Department > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > [email protected] > http://www.ch2m.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of tom poisal > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:24 PM > To: sprinklerforum > Subject: Salary > > The salary results have been tabulated from the NICET web site, for > designers without formal training and nicet certification, vs those with, > college degree's, and it seems that according to my Linkin frens plus > contractors, most companies want to recruit a CET, proficient in some sort > of CAD program be it; AutoSPRINK or SprinkCad, and pay bottom dollar for > this person and want a capable design project manager, field survey person, > design technician, etc. all for under 50K a year. What is the "going" rate ? > > On an aside I was just told by a major designer (free lance) that they do > NOT site survey for ease of installation, it is coordinated via AutoCad. Go > figure! > > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
