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On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:06 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > The front-end engineering firm fell flat on their face when it came to > addressing fire protection issues. But they generated tons of paper saying > nothing specific. > > Craig L. Prahl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:56 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Valve house requirement? > > Sounds like their project "design professional" has failed to do his > work. Perhaps the CEO has decided to change the rules of nature to > suit the needs of the shareholders. > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:20 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> I've expressed my concerns. They've not considered slabs for compressors, >> foam tanks, electrical needs, etc., no support for risers or control panels >> and various other things that are not an issue if there is a bldg. >> >> >> Craig L. Prahl >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman >> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:12 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Valve house requirement? >> >> Not terribly unusual in the more temperate climes. In Phoenix I've >> seen risers on the outside of older buildings downtown. Seems almost >> like there was a thought at one time that they belonged to the fire >> department and they were left out so the boys could get to their toys. >> Just speculation on my part. Definitely the panels will need to be >> protected either in their own waterproof enclosures or in NEMA (number >> X) boxes. Maybe motors also. That stuff is in 72 but mine is old and >> dusty from disuse so I can't say where. You might be able to hang your >> hat on "protected from physical damage" and interpret it to mean >> erosion as well as being run into by a truck. having dealt with a few >> coal conveyor systems I can easily say that they are going to get >> ruined unless you carefully locate equipment and separate (enclose) >> that which can be from the products. You just need to get creative if >> you really, really want them to do what you want. Otherwise do your >> due diligence and inform them in writing what your concerns are and >> let them decide. >> >> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:49 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> When you're in an area subject to hurricanes and you're protecting >>> flammable liquid operations and storage, is it still ok to just let all the >>> equipment sit out in the yard? >>> >>> Ron, when you ordered equipment, did you order anything special for the >>> outdoor application or just off the shelf items? >>> >>> Craig L. Prahl, CET >>> Fire Protection Specialist >>> Mechanical Department >>> CH2MHILL >>> Lockwood Greene >>> 1500 International Drive >>> Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >>> Direct - 864.599.4102 >>> Fax - 864.599.8439 >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.ch2m.com >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Ron >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:47 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: Valve house requirement? >>> >>> I hope there isn't there is a standard that requires an enclosure. We >>> recently installed some systems at a copper mine with the AFFF tanks, >>> risers and other stuff outside. It is pretty easy to build a rack from >>> Unistrut and plywood to mount panels etc... One drawback might be the >>> shelf life of the AFFF concentrate but that can be monitored with >>> regular testing. >>> >>> Ron Fletcher >>> Aero Automatic >>> Phoenix, AZ >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>> [email protected] >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 5:26 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Valve house requirement? >>> >>> I have a situation where the "powers that be" want to just locate the >>> fire risers, foam tanks, control panels and all assorted trim and >>> accessories for two FP systems outside, exposed to the elements. The >>> environment is a chemical plant in the SE. Freezing is not an issue and >>> it's on private property not accessible to the public. The one hazard >>> is a multi-level process structure w/ multiple deluge systems, the other >>> is fuel storage tanks with the foam protection. >>> >>> I've given some verbiage from NFPA 13 concerning protection of equipment >>> but since someone who did the initial write-up forgot the houses, the >>> owner believes they are not needed. >>> >>> Any specific code requirements? Their idea is to order "weather proof" >>> equipment. I guess they're going to hang the control panels by helium >>> balloons. >>> >>> Craig L. 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Yakima Ave. >> Tacoma, WA 98405 >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ >> >> 253.680.7346 >> 253.576.9700 (cell) >> >> Member: >> AFSA, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, NFSA, AFAA, ASEE, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC >> >> They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis >> Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > Instructor > Fire Protection Engineering Technology > Bates Technical College > 1101 So. 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