Just think, Christopher Wren stood on the jobsite personally directing the masons and other tradesmen. This in the days when the engineer and architect were one and the same (and Wren with no formal architectural education).
Following the Great Fire of 1666, which had hopelessly damaged most of the City of London. Christopher Wren proposed within 10 days an ideal plan for the City calling for straight streets, etc, hich was deemed impractical. Later, however, Christopher Wren was active in establishing new safety regulations for buildings and, significantly, was busy as the chief architect for the rebuilding of over 40 parish churches, developing the single steeple ". . . large enough for a good Ring of Bells ..." as an important British urban design and architectural element, which had considerable later influence in the United States. His principal work, the evolutionary design and construction of the new St. Paul's Cathedral, started soon after 1670 (although Christopher Wren had proposed a reconstructed dome for the former edifice shortly before the fire' and was eventually completed in 1711. In 1698, Christopher Wren became Surveyor of Westminster Abbey. On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:59 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > One thing to keep in mind is that this issue is not exclusive to FPE's alone. > Being in the fire prot industry they are our direct contact from a > professional level but in my younger days I worked as design/proj mgr for a > mechanical contractor and the same gripes and complaints reflected here about > FPE's could be applied to ME's as well. > > There should be far more practical experience as well as some field training > needed before someone is granted an engineering license. It's quite > appalling to think that someone with such a broad brush education and by > passing a test of generalities, one could be deemed and licensed as an expert > in their field. > > I find it annoying at times that one has to prove more actual experience to > obtain a NICET certification than one does to obtain an engineering license. > How does that work? > > There are great inequities within the engineering field that need tweaking > but unfortunately it won't happen because those who make the rules won't do > anything to change the rules that exclusively benefit them. > > I'm sure there are plenty of non-degreed designers out there who could pass > the FPE exam. > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mark Sornsin > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 5:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: FPE > > I pretty much agree with everyone else. But I can't resist. > > No is the answer. > > I know FPEs by education and by professional exam. Some are qualified to > design fire suppression systems because they have experience in that area; > many are not because their expertise is focused on other aspects of the > discipline, e.g. fire alarm egress, smoke evacuation, etc. Some are well > versed in all of these areas. > > Then there are those who have a reasonable understanding about the general > design parameters relating to fire suppression - densities, areas, EQ > bracing, etc.; but they may not have any significant experience running > hydraulic calculations or optimizing systems hydraulically. These folks can > be very frustrating because they are often the ones implementing velocity > restrictions or similar constraints on designs. They just don't understand > that simply increasing pipe sizes DOESN'T always work (particularly when > balancing multiple systems like Hi-ex foam and overhead sprinklers). It seems > these folks like to reside in federal government positions - several command > layers out of reach and located across country so there is no chance of a > one-on-one meeting... > > But I digress. > > Mark A. Sornsin, PE | Fire Protection Engineer > Ulteig Engineers, Inc. |Fargo, ND > Direct: 701. 280.8591 | www.ulteig.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Garth W. Warren > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:41 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: FPE > > Does being an FPE necessarily mean that you have training in, or a knowledge > of, fire sprinklers? > > Thanks, > Garth > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. 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