As part of this theoretical letter writing process, did your attorney tell you to copy the AHJ?
Bill Brooks -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Charles Thurston Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:31 PM To: Todd Williams Subject: Re: Hydraulic Calcs Hello Todd, After my lawyer wrote a very carefully worded letter to the owner with a copy to the AHJ. Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 3:15:17 PM, you wrote: > I walked into a 100 year old building with the original system and > they were storing 10 ft high palletized empty PVC toothpaste tubes. > The FM had been through the building and had said nothing. If the > contract was to replace old with new, would you do it? > At 02:51 PM 1/12/2011, you wrote: >>That would be a change of occupancy and so require a new analysis. >>Different issue. Nothing changes, only replacing the system exactly as >>it was and it's a repair unless someone like Rich (AHJ) wants to call >>it otherwise >>On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote: >> > If a system is installed that is an exact duplicate of an existing system, >> > which it is to replace, is that considered a new system under the Code or a >> > "repair" of a system under 25? Where is the cut-off between the two? How >> > would any of the AHJ's out there address this? >> > >> > Now George, supposed your building has 12ft storage of expanded plastics or >> > flammable liquid storage? Most likely the pipe schedule system is not going >> > to be able to protect those occupancies. Would you swap the system old for >> > new as it was installed? How would the attorney for the plaintiff react to >> > that? >> > >> > I didn't even bring up the issues about 3/4", 3-1/2" and 5" pipe. >> > >> > >> > >> > At 12:33 PM 1/12/2011, you wrote: >> >> >> >> So you run new UG into a building that was legally pipe schedule because >> >> the calc (that wasn't required under the valid but old design criteria) >> >> doesn't work? It doesn't have to, its designed to the applicable code at >> >> installation. >> >> >> >> George Church' >> >> Rowe Sprinkler >> >> [email protected] >> >> 570-837-7647 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: [email protected] >> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Todd Williams >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:20 PM >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: Hydraulic Calcs >> >> >> >> Ok, so in Doug's situation, it constitutes a new installation and not >> >> repair work (based on your first statement) and it is based on a prior >> >> design. However, as a new installation wouldn't the design need to meet >> >> current Codes irregardless of when the design was done and >> probably require >> >> hydraulic calculations? >> >> >> > >> > Todd G. Williams, PE >> > Fire Protection Design/Consulting >> > Stonington, CT >> > 860.535.2080 >> > www.fpdc.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Sprinklerforum mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> > >> > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> > >> > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> > >>-- >>Ron Greenman >>Instructor >>Fire Protection Engineering Technology >>Bates Technical College >>1101 So. 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