You're writing up design issues under 25? George Church' Rowe Sprinkler [email protected] 570-837-7647
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew J. Willis Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Hydraulic Calcs Yes. I am there to replace parts, with the same parts. Now ask me if I would hang a green tag during a 25 inspection..... R/ Matt Matthew J. Willis, CET Automatic Fire Sprinklers Norred Fire Systems L.L.C. 318-387-1134 Voice 318-816-1087 Mobile 318-387-1163 Facsimile [email protected] > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] > >[mailto:sprinklerforum- [email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd > >Williams > >Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 2:15 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: Hydraulic Calcs > > > >I walked into a 100 year old building with the original system and > >they were storing 10 ft high palletized empty PVC toothpaste tubes. > >The FM had been through the building and had said nothing. If the > >contract was to replace old with new, would you do it? > > > > > >At 02:51 PM 1/12/2011, you wrote: > >>That would be a change of occupancy and so require a new analysis. > >>Different issue. Nothing changes, only replacing the system exactly > >>as it was and it's a repair unless someone like Rich (AHJ) wants to > >>call it otherwise > >> > >>On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > If a system is installed that is an exact duplicate of an > >> > existing > >system, > >> > which it is to replace, is that considered a new system under the > >Code or a > >> > "repair" of a system under 25? Where is the cut-off between the two? > >How > >> > would any of the AHJ's out there address this? > >> > > >> > Now George, supposed your building has 12ft storage of expanded > >plastics or > >> > flammable liquid storage? Most likely the pipe schedule system is > >> > not > >going > >> > to be able to protect those occupancies. Would you swap the > >> > system > >old for > >> > new as it was installed? How would the attorney for the plaintiff > >react to > >> > that? > >> > > >> > I didn't even bring up the issues about 3/4", 3-1/2" and 5" pipe. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > At 12:33 PM 1/12/2011, you wrote: > >> >> > >> >> So you run new UG into a building that was legally pipe schedule > >because > >> >> the calc (that wasn't required under the valid but old design > >criteria) > >> >> doesn't work? It doesn't have to, its designed to the applicable > >code at > >> >> installation. > >> >> > >> >> George Church' > >> >> Rowe Sprinkler > >> >> [email protected] > >> >> 570-837-7647 > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: [email protected] > >> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > >> Todd Williams > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:20 PM > >> >> To: [email protected] > >> >> Subject: Re: Hydraulic Calcs > >> >> > >> >> Ok, so in Doug's situation, it constitutes a new installation > >> >> and > >not > >> >> repair work (based on your first statement) and it is based on a > >prior > >> >> design. However, as a new installation wouldn't the design need > >> >> to > >meet > >> >> current Codes irregardless of when the design was done and > >> probably require > >> >> hydraulic calculations? > >> >> > >> > > >> > Todd G. 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