No sir, Not me. But an OBVIOUS change of occupancy, I would (and have) tell the owner they need an engineering evaluation. Otherwise, I am not interested.
R/ Matt Matthew J. Willis, CET Automatic Fire Sprinklers Norred Fire Systems L.L.C. 318-387-1134 Voice 318-816-1087 Mobile 318-387-1163 Facsimile [email protected] > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] [mailto:sprinklerforum- > >[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church > >Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:56 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: Hydraulic Calcs > > > >You're writing up design issues under 25? > > > >George Church' > >Rowe Sprinkler > >[email protected] > >570-837-7647 > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] [mailto:sprinklerforum- > >[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew J. Willis > >Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:50 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: Hydraulic Calcs > > > > > >Yes. > >I am there to replace parts, with the same parts. > > > >Now ask me if I would hang a green tag during a 25 inspection..... > > > >R/ > >Matt > > > > > > > > > >Matthew J. Willis, CET > >Automatic Fire Sprinklers > >Norred Fire Systems L.L.C. > >318-387-1134 Voice > >318-816-1087 Mobile > >318-387-1163 Facsimile > >[email protected] > > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: [email protected] > >> >[mailto:sprinklerforum- [email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd > >> >Williams > >> >Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 2:15 PM > >> >To: [email protected] > >> >Subject: Re: Hydraulic Calcs > >> > > >> >I walked into a 100 year old building with the original system and > >> >they were storing 10 ft high palletized empty PVC toothpaste tubes. > >> >The FM had been through the building and had said nothing. If the > >> >contract was to replace old with new, would you do it? > >> > > >> > > >> >At 02:51 PM 1/12/2011, you wrote: > >> >>That would be a change of occupancy and so require a new analysis. > >> >>Different issue. Nothing changes, only replacing the system exactly > >> >>as it was and it's a repair unless someone like Rich (AHJ) wants to > >> >>call it otherwise > >> >> > >> >>On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > If a system is installed that is an exact duplicate of an > >> >> > existing > >> >system, > >> >> > which it is to replace, is that considered a new system under the > >> >Code or a > >> >> > "repair" of a system under 25? Where is the cut-off between the > >two? > >> >How > >> >> > would any of the AHJ's out there address this? > >> >> > > >> >> > Now George, supposed your building has 12ft storage of expanded > >> >plastics or > >> >> > flammable liquid storage? Most likely the pipe schedule system is > >> >> > not > >> >going > >> >> > to be able to protect those occupancies. Would you swap the > >> >> > system > >> >old for > >> >> > new as it was installed? How would the attorney for the plaintiff > >> >react to > >> >> > that? > >> >> > > >> >> > I didn't even bring up the issues about 3/4", 3-1/2" and 5" pipe. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > At 12:33 PM 1/12/2011, you wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> So you run new UG into a building that was legally pipe schedule > >> >because > >> >> >> the calc (that wasn't required under the valid but old design > >> >criteria) > >> >> >> doesn't work? It doesn't have to, its designed to the applicable > >> >code at > >> >> >> installation. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> George Church' > >> >> >> Rowe Sprinkler > >> >> >> [email protected] > >> >> >> 570-837-7647 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> From: [email protected] > >> >> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > >> >> Todd Williams > >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:20 PM > >> >> >> To: [email protected] > >> >> >> Subject: Re: Hydraulic Calcs > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Ok, so in Doug's situation, it constitutes a new installation > >> >> >> and > >> >not > >> >> >> repair work (based on your first statement) and it is based on a > >> >prior > >> >> >> design. However, as a new installation wouldn't the design need > >> >> >> to > >> >meet > >> >> >> current Codes irregardless of when the design was done and > >> >> probably require > >> >> >> hydraulic calculations? > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > Todd G. 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