Very simple actually... a house converted into a rehab center; R-4 occupancy with a lower level that consists of an office with file room.The lower level still has the old 'bathrooms' (two of 'em) - literal bathrooms; toilet and tub.
--- On Fri, 2/11/11, Ron Greenman <[email protected]> wrote: From: Ron Greenman <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Friday Brainfreeze - 13R Outside the dwelling Units Bathrooms To: [email protected] Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 10:17 PM How can a bathroom be outside the dwelling unit? That's like saying living rooms outside the dwelling area. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Ralphy Henderson <[email protected]> wrote: > Sorry, not so...please provide documentation showing where that's stated. > Whenever you use 13R you use the standard throughout the building except > where specifically indicated by 13R. The only time 13R refers you back to > NFPA 13 for areas outside the dwelling unit is primarily for discharge > densities, spacing, etc and NOT sprinkler locations > > You'll notice in the following appendix material for 6.8.2 that sprinkler > LOCATION is not mentioned - deliberately. > > A.6.8.2 It is only the intent of NFPA 13R to reference the sprinkler > discharge (flow and pressure), number of design sprinklers, and position of > sprinklers (distance from walls, ceilings, and other sprinklers) requirements > of NFPA 13, Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems. Other rules > from NFPA 13 such as sprinklering of combustible concealed spaces, hose > stream demand, and water supply duration are not intended to be referenced by > 6.8.2. > > --- On Fri, 2/11/11, G. Tim Stone <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: G. Tim Stone <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Friday Brainfreeze - 13R Outside the dwelling Units Bathrooms > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 9:14 PM > > If you are outside the dwelling unit, it reverts back to NFPA 13. Chapter 8. > > Sent from my iPhone > G Tim Stone > > > On Feb 11, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Ralphy Henderson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Yeah but where does it state that? NFPA #13R doesn't require sprinklers in >> bathrooms under 55 sq. ft. Ch 6.9 (2007 ed) when talking about bathrooms, >> doesn't say "within dwelling units" as it does with 6.9.3 for the sprinkling >> of closets, pantries etc. >> >> The distinction, as far as I can tell, of"within" and "outside" the dwelling >> units only applies to design criteria and not location - otherwise concealed >> combustible spaces outside the dwelling unit would have to sprinkled which >> is obviously not the case. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 [email protected] http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
