NFPA, stick with fire. A room (you didn't say stall) with only a toilet ?, sure hope there's a sink before you return to the bar with George and start shaking hands. So yes there would be a ...thought I was going to say sink, nope, sinks belong in kitchens if it's in a water closet it's a lavatory. Half bath you say, don't know about you but I haven't, nor should anyone admit, taking a bath in a toilet or lavatory.
And we expect fires to know the difference ? Happy Weekend all ! John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of IPA Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 5:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Friday Brainfreeze - 13R Outside the dwelling Units Bathrooms A.3.3.1 Bathroom. A room is still considered a bathroom if it contains just a toilet. Additionally, two bathrooms can be adjacent to each other and are considered separate rooms, provided they are enclosed with the required level of construction. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Ron Greenman <[email protected]> wrote: > How can a bathroom be outside the dwelling unit? That's like saying > living rooms outside the dwelling area. > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Ralphy Henderson > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sorry, not so...please provide documentation showing where that's stated. > Whenever you use 13R you use the standard throughout the building except > where specifically indicated by 13R. The only time 13R refers you back to > NFPA 13 for areas outside the dwelling unit is primarily for discharge > densities, spacing, etc and NOT sprinkler locations > > > > You'll notice in the following appendix material for 6.8.2 that sprinkler > LOCATION is not mentioned - deliberately. > > > > A.6.8.2 It is only the intent of NFPA 13R to reference the sprinkler > discharge (flow and pressure), number of design sprinklers, and position of > sprinklers (distance from walls, ceilings, and other sprinklers) > requirements of NFPA 13, Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems. > Other rules from NFPA 13 such as sprinklering of combustible concealed > spaces, hose stream demand, and water supply duration are not intended to be > referenced by 6.8.2. > > > > --- On Fri, 2/11/11, G. Tim Stone <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > From: G. Tim Stone <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: Friday Brainfreeze - 13R Outside the dwelling Units > Bathrooms > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected] > > > > Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 9:14 PM > > > > If you are outside the dwelling unit, it reverts back to NFPA 13. Chapter > 8. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > G Tim Stone > > > > > > On Feb 11, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Ralphy Henderson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Yeah but where does it state that? NFPA #13R doesn't require sprinklers > in bathrooms under 55 sq. ft. Ch 6.9 (2007 ed) when talking about bathrooms, > doesn't say "within dwelling units" as it does with 6.9.3 for the sprinkling > of closets, pantries etc. > >> > >> The distinction, as far as I can tell, of"within" and "outside" the > dwelling units only applies to design criteria and not location - otherwise > concealed combustible spaces outside the dwelling unit would have to > sprinkled which is obviously not the case. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >> > >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > Instructor > Fire Protection Engineering Technology > Bates Technical College > 1101 So. 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