If you had 50 ft of 1.25" copper pipe and tried pushing 150 gpm through it 
you're looking at >45 fps velocity and around 75-80 psi pressure loss not 
including a backflow and water meter.   At 150 gpm you're looking at 
approximately 103-104 residual to work with.  

Craig L. Prahl, CET   
Fire Protection 
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
CH2MHILL Extension  74102
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mark Sornsin
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Design solution needed

Joel:

If it's a short run of 1-1/4, you might get lucky. Say less than 50 equivalent 
feet. Your maximum volume demand (I'm guessing) is 0.15 x 900 sq.ft. = 135 gpm 
+ overage. Maybe 165 gpm. You've got a relatively large amount of pressure. 
Maybe you can get it to work; or maybe you can get a waiver on some or all of 
the outside hose allowance. Many jurisdictions are willing to work with you if 
it means avoiding the cost (short term and long term) of a pump and tank.

There is no minimum for fire protection lines if the calculations can support 
it. Of course, if you have an authority that places maximum velocities on 
pipes, then you'll have problems...

Mark A. Sornsin, PE| Fire Protection Engineer 
Ulteig Engineers, Inc.| Fargo, ND  
[email protected] 



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joel Chaim
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 11:20 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Design solution needed

I'm designing a system for a small restaurant, the kitchen is a OH-I occupancy, 
and the dining area is a LH occupancy, the available static pressure is 106 psi 
residual 62 psi with 751 gpm. My problem is that the incoming service is a 1¼", 
and to bring in a larger service is very expensive because of utilities and 
other obstruction that's in the way, the GC suggested that we put in a tank and 
booster pump, to me it sounds crazy to install a tank and pump for a building 
that's less than 4000 sq. ft. when you have available city pressure. 

 

Any ideas how to go about this, please advise.

 

Best Regards,

 

Joel Chaim | Nicet level II 

 

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