You never know, some municipalities have outrageous tap fees when it comes to 
sprinkler systems.  Sometimes you've to wonder if they think yard sprinklers 
instead of fire sprinklers because you've not going to be using fire sprinklers 
on a regular basis but they've got to generate revenue somehow.

Then if you've got to do a road cut/patch or bore, that's not real cheap 
either.  But either way it would still seem to be a cheaper alternative than a 
pump and tank.  

Craig L. Prahl, CET   
Fire Protection 
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 1:43 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Design solution needed

Now I'm actually crunching numbers on a day off and so am crazier than
the GC. This seems to be a business decision on his part rather than
an engineering question. It looks from Joel's latest response that
it's loss of time being more costly than the pump/tank that's driving
the decision.I can't imagine where tap fees, road openings, trenching
and permits can cost more, so it must be delay penalties.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote:
> Probably the only obstructions to bringing in a new main that would make a 
> pump and tank viable are railroad tracks, a river or a crevasse. Work up the 
> cost on the P&T and tell them it is either this or bring in a new 
> underground. 1-1/4" copper is not going to cut it. The P&T may sound crazy, 
> but stupider things have prevailed.
>
>
>
>
>>I'm designing a system for a small restaurant, the kitchen is a OH-I 
>>occupancy, and the dining area is a LH occupancy, the available static 
>>pressure is 106 psi residual 62 psi with 751 gpm. My problem is that the 
>>incoming service is a 1¼", and to bring in a larger service is very expensive 
>>because of utilities and other obstruction that's in the way, the GC 
>>suggested that we put in a tank and booster pump, to me it sounds crazy to 
>>install a tank and pump for a building that's less than 4000 sq. ft. when you 
>>have available city pressure.
>>
>>
>>
>>Any ideas how to go about this, please advise.
>>
>>
>>
>>Best Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>Joel Chaim | Nicet level II
>>
>>
>
> Todd G. Williams, PE
> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
> Stonington, CT
> 860.535.2080
> www.fpdc.com
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