Todd, No apologies necessary. I'm a card carrying member of PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals), and in no way was I ever offended.
Bob Knight -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 4:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Design solution needed Wait a minute. I think the horse moved! It's not quite dead yet. Keep beating. (apologies to PETA, SPCA and all other animal rights groups) . At 04:38 PM 4/4/2011, you wrote: >I have to agree with you. > > > >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thom >Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 3:54 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Design solution needed > > > >There's your answer! Tell the GC you'll save him $70,000 if he's just >willing to make the kitchen part of the restaurant less than 600SF. >Another Win-win? > >Man's getting a brain transplant. He says I want an architect's brain. >The Dr. asks why? Man reply's, because it's never been used. > >No really, now that you know it would cost $70,000 for the underground >up-grade, your pump and tank price just became $85,000. He'll save >$15,000 by doing the underground. > >Enough said please end this and let's start something NEW!! > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joel >Chaim >Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 12:54 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Design solution needed > >Dividing the kitchen might help for room design method, I did a calc. >and the most heads that I was able to make the system work was 6. > > > >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >[email protected] >Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 2:47 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Design solution needed > > > >That's because it is only referring to hose stream allowance and duration. >But the rooms cannot be adjacent so to break a kitchen into two 400 sq. ft. >rooms would mean there would have to be a room of lesser hazard between >them. Doubt you're going to be able to break up a kitchen that way and >make it still work. Plus that reference doesn't mean you can change >the occupancy to a lesser occupancy, Kitchen still equals OH no matter >what. It will never be an LH. > >Craig L. Prahl, CET >Fire Protection >CH2MHILL >Lockwood Greene >1500 International Drive >Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >Direct - 864.599.4102 >Fax - 864.599.8439 >CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [ ><mailto:[email protected]> >mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joel >Chaim >Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 2:42 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Design solution needed > >Yes but it does not say anything about density. > > > >From: <mailto:[email protected]> >[email protected] >[ <mailto:[email protected]> >mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ><mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] >Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 2:36 PM >To: <mailto:[email protected]> >[email protected] >Subject: RE: Design solution needed > > > >Maybe referring to 12.7.2? > >Craig L. Prahl, CET >Fire Protection >CH2MHILL >Lockwood Greene >1500 International Drive >Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >Direct - 864.599.4102 >Fax - 864.599.8439 >CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[ <mailto:[email protected]> >mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roland >Huggins >Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 2:27 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: Design solution needed > >where are you getting the idea that you can divide the kitchen into two >400 sf compartments and legitimately call it light hazard? Pipe type >and hose demand is allowed to use LH (though for hose demand, the rooms >can not be adjacent so that nixes reducing it). > >Roland > >On Apr 4, 2011, at 10:40 AM, Joel Chaim wrote: > >> I'm thinking of offering them to divide the kitchen area into 2 >> compartments less than 400 sq ft. this way we can utilize the same >> hazard as the dining area my question can we lower the density to .10 >> as well because NFPA states that regardless if utilize the hose >> demand or not you still need to calc. >> 1500 sq ft. even the room is less. >> > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list > <mailto:[email protected]> >[email protected] ><http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum> >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: ><mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email >to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list > <mailto:[email protected]> >[email protected] ><http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum> >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: ><mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email >to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _____ > >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - <http://www.avg.com> www.avg.com >Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3549 - Release Date: 04/04/11 > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list > <mailto:[email protected]> >[email protected] ><http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum> >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: ><mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email >to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list > <mailto:[email protected]> >[email protected] ><http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum> >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: ><mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email >to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _____ > >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3549 - Release Date: 04/04/11 > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email >to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email >to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _____ > >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3549 - Release Date: 04/04/11 > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email >to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. 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