Right. With the caveat that with recent upgrades to his Nutritional Program, GC is down to one cocktail per day. Which represents a roughly 93.5% improvement over previous years so the unauthorized, unsanctioned Rowe Sprinkler/AFSA Social Networking and Recruitment Program will be running in a very low gear for the foreseeable future.
The foregoing is my opinion only and is admittedly not on topic or of a technical nature. This information does not necessarily represent the opinion or intent of AFSA, its President Steve Muncy, Rowe Sprinkler Systems Inc., or the Church family. Steve Leyton Protection Design & Consulting San Diego, CA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Supervised vales in pump room And George is back trumpeting the advantages of AFSA membership and the high return on a low cost investment. Good on you, George. And so let me second his appeal to all you non-members to join and all you current members to renew your membership when it comes d. On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:55 AM, George Church <[email protected]>wrote: > Imagine adding up all the years of experience, in various locales and > different points of view (contractor, AHJ, mfrs, insurance, FPEs, etc) > that are applied to situations like yours? > P R I C E L E S S > > Makes the membership dues of AFSA seem trivial in comparison....yes, > it's that time of year. Although my health precludes me from flying at > this time, I'd urge all of you to consider attendance at AFSa's > convention, and membership if you haven't. > > George L. Church, Jr., CET > Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. > PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 > 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax > [email protected] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 9:45 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Supervised vales in pump room > > My thanks to everyone for the information. This forum is awesome. > > Ron Fletcher > Aero - Phoneix > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Johnson, Duane > (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:48 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Supervised vales in pump room > > And... > > NFPA 20 2010:4.16.2 Supervised Closed. > The test outlet control valves shall be supervised closed. > > Duane Johnson, PE > Program Manager > Division of the Fire Marshal (Support Contractor) Office of Research > Services National Institutes of Health > 301-496-0487 > > "Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 7:35 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Supervised vales in pump room > > If leaving the valve in the wrong position will impair the operation > of the sprinkler system, then the valve must be supervised, see below. > > NFPA 101 2012:9.7.2.1 Supervisory Signals. > Where supervised automatic sprinkler systems are required by another > section of this Code, supervisory attachments shall be installed and > monitored for integrity in accordance with NFPA 72 , National Fire > Alarm and Signaling Code, and a distinctive supervisory signal shall > be provided to indicate a condition that would impair the satisfactory > operation of the sprinkler system. Supervisory signals shall sound and > shall be displayed either at a location within the protected building > that is constantly attended by qualified personnel or at an approved, > remotely located receiving facility. > > Also... > > IBC 2012:903.4 Sprinkler system supervision and alarms. > All valves controlling the water supply for automatic sprinkler > systems, pumps, tanks, water levels and temperatures, critical air > pressures and waterflow switches on all sprinkler systems shall be > electrically supervised by a listed fire alarm control unit. > > Exceptions: > > 1. Automatic sprinkler systems protecting one- and two-family dwellings. > 2. Limited area systems serving fewer than 20 sprinklers. > 3. Automatic sprinkler systems installed in accordance with NFPA 13R > where a common supply main is used to supply both domestic water and > the automatic sprinkler system, and a separate shutoff valve for the > automatic sprinkler system is not provided. > 4. Jockey pump control valves that are sealed or locked in the open > position. > 5. Control valves to commercial kitchen hoods, paint spray booths or > dip tanks that are sealed or locked in the open position. > 6. Valves controlling the fuel supply to fire pump engines that are > sealed or locked in the open position. > 7. Trim valves to pressure switches in dry, preaction and deluge > sprinkler systems that are sealed or locked in the open position. > > > Duane Johnson, PE > Program Manager > Division of the Fire Marshal (Support Contractor) Office of Research > Services National Institutes of Health > 301-496-0487 > > "Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time" > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Supervised vales in pump room > > I'm not sure NFPA #25 would apply to a new installation. NFPA 20 > requires the pump enclosure to be supervised or controlled but I found > nothing requiring valve supervision. I don't have access to the codes > on line right now so I can't look it up without going old skool using > a book and that's too much trouble for Friday. I think IFC requires > supply valves to be supervised. > > Ron Fletcher > Aero - Phoenix > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Morey, Mike > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:21 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Supervised vales in pump room > > There is no blanket requirement, NFPA 25 2010 4.16 covers what valves > must be supervised, personally I think it's rather poorly worded, but > if you read through the whole standard my impression is the intent of > 4.16.2 Supervised Closed. The test outlet control valves shall be > supervised closed. includes these valves, otherwise you could leave > the meter bypass open and have no pressure. Typically we'd lock a valve like this open. > One could argue that the test outlet control valve is defined as the > test header control valve, but there's a checklist in the standard > that makes mention that test header AND meter bypass valves need to be > supervised (form S2.2). > > Mike Morey, SET, CFPS > Sprinkler Designer > BMW Constructors, Inc. > O: 317.651.0596 | C: 317.586.8111 > www.bmwc.com > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] on behalf of > [email protected] > Sent: Fri 8/24/2012 1:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Supervised vales in pump room > > > > Here is an easy one for Friday. Is there a general requirement that > all valves in a pump room be supervised? I am wondering about the > valves in a flow meter loop that are normally closed. > > Ron Fletcher > Aero - Phoenix > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > scrubbed... > Name: winmail.dat > Type: application/ms-tnef > Size: 4502 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attac > hments/20120824/ac3913a2/attachment.bin > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. 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