In the complexity of industrial engineering the amount of obstructions and other systems you need to work around and with becomes a major challenge. The fight for cubic inches in some of these projects is considerable. REVIT lets you design in conjunction with all the other building systems simultaneously.
You can't accomplish the same coordination in a 2D plane that you can when ever discipline is designing in 3D. No if you're doing a Walmart or 7-11, you definitely don't need a tool like REVIT. REVIT as it's being used in the industry now is not being used for anything other than a design tool. It has no analysis capabilities at all. Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 CH2MHILL Extension 74102 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vince Sabolik Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Revit vs Cad BIM (as I have read) is Building Information Management. And its intent - as you say is for construction analysis, scheduling, and building maintenance. There are several levels information that can be stored in a Revit/BIM drawing, ranging from Level 1 to Level 7 if I remember. The most info that I've seen available in a Revit sprinkler block was minimum flow rate (15 gpm) and a thread size. If Revit took it to the max and included everything, what good would it be? Who would "repurpose" a system in Revit or for that matter, understand any sprinkler component? I have designed several Revit/BIM-based jobs - the primary purpose of which was coordination, of course. As for analysis though, pipe only screws in one way. Since 3d can be inserted into a Revit file anyhow, why use Revit for design? The only advantage that I can see is that if we throw out all cad programs (including Autocad), we can all do the same thing the same way. Am I misunderstanding something? At 09:51 AM 1/24/2013, you wrote: >My understanding is that Revit is a platform for BIM. > >On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:48 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > BIM as some define is not what we have here. BIM is a huge, > > complicated system. 99% of the CAD work done in 3D is nothing more than > > CAD work done > > in 3D. Real BIM inputs operational and usage data as well as work flow > > functions into a computer model for analyzing and optimizing > > utilities, work flow and a ton of other things. There are a few > > real BIM modeling programs out there but many incorrectly refer to > > any design work done in 3D as BIM. > > > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > > Fire Protection > > CH2MHILL > > Lockwood Greene > > 1500 International Drive > > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > > Direct - 864.599.4102 > > Fax - 864.599.8439 > > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman > > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:44 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Revit vs Cad > > > > BIM. > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:28 AM, Vince Sabolik <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > What's the advantage of Revit? > > > > > > Vince Sabolik, West Tech Fire Protection, Inc. > > > 11351 Pearl Road / Strongsville, Ohio 44136 440 238-4800 Fax > > 440 > > > 238-4876 > > > ______________________________**______________________________**__ > > > ____ > > > __ > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > > > scrubbed... > > > URL: <http://fireball.**firesprinkler.org/mailman/**> > > private/sprinklerforum/**attachments/20130124/9e4646cb/**attachment.ht > > > > ml<http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/at > > > tachments/20130124/9e4646cb/attachment.html> > > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > > Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.**org > > > <[email protected]> > > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.**org/mailman/listinfo/**sprinklerfo > > > rum< > > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ron Greenman > > Instructor > > Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College > > 1101 So. 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