So you use REVIT for hydraulic calculations and stocklisting as well?
Benjamin Young On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:44 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > We've been using REVIT for years now, it's not new to us. Up until > version 11 it hadn't been real sprinkler friendly. After doing the design > in REVIT, AutoCAD is like drawing with an Etcha-Sketch. We have no need > or use for going from REVIT to Autocad other than to provide CAD files to > contractors. > > We do use Navisworks for Clash detection and client presentations. > > > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > [email protected] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Ben Young > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:18 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Revit vs Cad > > REVIT is for architects and GCs, really. I would not want to do a > sprinkler system or other trade purely in REVIT. Our company does HVAC and > mechanical piping as well as sprinkler and alarm work, and we actively > fight to not use REVIT at the subcontractor level. Its very easy to go > 'up' from AutoCAD to REVIT, but much harder to go back down again for > subsystems. We use REVIT to extract data from A/E RVT files all the time, > though. > > For pure 3D coordination, you cannot beat 3D design and Navisworks Manage. > This should be your go-to coordination tool, not Revit. > > BIM is not 3D coordination, but somehow has become an industry buzzword > that's now used synonymously. > I bristle when someone says 'did you check the BIM model?' the same way I > do when someone says that we're the engineering department. (all NICET > techs here, no PEs) > > REVIT has some far-advanced tools, and for other sub-system trades, you > can really see the value. BIM needs for instant product data or > engineering tolerance data is a great thing, *think HVAC equipment, alarm > devices, etc) but its 95% overkill for 'dumb' sprinklers. Unfortunately, > we're getting our stuff dragged into BIM only because everything else is > there. > > Craig, do you actually do 100% of your sprinkler system design in REVIT, > including stocklisting and calcing, with something equivalent to the output > of SprinkCAD, HydraCAD, or AutoSPRINK? I remember when someone told me > that REVIT can lay out sprinkler heads and the like (HVAC grilles) and > then pipe automatically to them. This person (a previous co-worker) sold > it as a literal push-button-get-design system. When I actually had our > reseller come in and show us how this would work, its not nearly as > complete as it sounds. > > > Benjamin Young > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:30 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > In the complexity of industrial engineering the amount of obstructions > > and other systems you need to work around and with becomes a major > challenge. > > The fight for cubic inches in some of these projects is considerable. > > REVIT lets you design in conjunction with all the other building > > systems simultaneously. > > > > You can't accomplish the same coordination in a 2D plane that you can > > when ever discipline is designing in 3D. > > > > No if you're doing a Walmart or 7-11, you definitely don't need a tool > > like REVIT. > > > > REVIT as it's being used in the industry now is not being used for > > anything other than a design tool. It has no analysis capabilities at > all. > > > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > > Fire Protection > > CH2MHILL > > Lockwood Greene > > 1500 International Drive > > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > > Direct - 864.599.4102 > > Fax - 864.599.8439 > > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Vince Sabolik > > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:07 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Revit vs Cad > > > > BIM (as I have read) is Building Information Management. > > > > And its intent - as you say is for construction analysis, scheduling, > > and building maintenance. > > > > There are several levels information that can be stored in a Revit/BIM > > drawing, ranging from Level 1 to Level 7 if I remember. The most info > > that I've seen available in a Revit sprinkler block was minimum flow > > rate (15 > > gpm) and a thread size. > > > > If Revit took it to the max and included everything, what good would it > be? > > > > Who would "repurpose" a system in Revit or for that matter, understand > > any sprinkler component? > > > > I have designed several Revit/BIM-based jobs - the primary purpose of > > which was coordination, of course. As for analysis though, pipe only > > screws in one way. Since 3d can be inserted into a Revit file anyhow, > > why use Revit for design? > > > > The only advantage that I can see is that if we throw out all cad > > programs (including Autocad), we can all do the same thing the same way. > > > > Am I misunderstanding something? > > > > > > At 09:51 AM 1/24/2013, you wrote: > > >My understanding is that Revit is a platform for BIM. > > > > > >On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:48 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > BIM as some define is not what we have here. BIM is a huge, > > > > complicated system. 99% of the CAD work done in 3D is nothing > > > > more > > than CAD work done > > > > in 3D. Real BIM inputs operational and usage data as well as work > > flow > > > > functions into a computer model for analyzing and optimizing > > > > utilities, work flow and a ton of other things. There are a few > > > > real BIM modeling programs out there but many incorrectly refer to > > > > any design work done in 3D as BIM. > > > > > > > > Craig L. 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