Never said that. Use HASS for calcs and we don't do stocklisting. We're not buying materials.
Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 CH2MHILL Extension 74102 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ben Young Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Revit vs Cad So you use REVIT for hydraulic calculations and stocklisting as well? Benjamin Young On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:44 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > We've been using REVIT for years now, it's not new to us. Up until > version 11 it hadn't been real sprinkler friendly. After doing the design > in REVIT, AutoCAD is like drawing with an Etcha-Sketch. We have no need > or use for going from REVIT to Autocad other than to provide CAD files > to contractors. > > We do use Navisworks for Clash detection and client presentations. > > > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > [email protected] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Ben Young > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:18 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Revit vs Cad > > REVIT is for architects and GCs, really. I would not want to do a > sprinkler system or other trade purely in REVIT. Our company does > HVAC and mechanical piping as well as sprinkler and alarm work, and we > actively fight to not use REVIT at the subcontractor level. Its very > easy to go 'up' from AutoCAD to REVIT, but much harder to go back down > again for subsystems. We use REVIT to extract data from A/E RVT files > all the time, though. > > For pure 3D coordination, you cannot beat 3D design and Navisworks Manage. > This should be your go-to coordination tool, not Revit. > > BIM is not 3D coordination, but somehow has become an industry > buzzword that's now used synonymously. > I bristle when someone says 'did you check the BIM model?' the same > way I do when someone says that we're the engineering department. (all > NICET techs here, no PEs) > > REVIT has some far-advanced tools, and for other sub-system trades, > you can really see the value. BIM needs for instant product data or > engineering tolerance data is a great thing, *think HVAC equipment, > alarm devices, etc) but its 95% overkill for 'dumb' sprinklers. > Unfortunately, we're getting our stuff dragged into BIM only because > everything else is there. > > Craig, do you actually do 100% of your sprinkler system design in > REVIT, including stocklisting and calcing, with something equivalent to the > output > of SprinkCAD, HydraCAD, or AutoSPRINK? I remember when someone told me > that REVIT can lay out sprinkler heads and the like (HVAC grilles) and > then pipe automatically to them. This person (a previous co-worker) > sold it as a literal push-button-get-design system. When I actually > had our reseller come in and show us how this would work, its not > nearly as complete as it sounds. > > > Benjamin Young > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:30 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > In the complexity of industrial engineering the amount of > > obstructions and other systems you need to work around and with > > becomes a major > challenge. > > The fight for cubic inches in some of these projects is considerable. > > REVIT lets you design in conjunction with all the other building > > systems simultaneously. > > > > You can't accomplish the same coordination in a 2D plane that you > > can when ever discipline is designing in 3D. > > > > No if you're doing a Walmart or 7-11, you definitely don't need a > > tool like REVIT. > > > > REVIT as it's being used in the industry now is not being used for > > anything other than a design tool. It has no analysis capabilities > > at > all. > > > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > > Fire Protection > > CH2MHILL > > Lockwood Greene > > 1500 International Drive > > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > > Direct - 864.599.4102 > > Fax - 864.599.8439 > > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Vince Sabolik > > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:07 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Revit vs Cad > > > > BIM (as I have read) is Building Information Management. > > > > And its intent - as you say is for construction analysis, > > scheduling, and building maintenance. > > > > There are several levels information that can be stored in a > > Revit/BIM drawing, ranging from Level 1 to Level 7 if I remember. > > The most info that I've seen available in a Revit sprinkler block > > was minimum flow rate (15 > > gpm) and a thread size. > > > > If Revit took it to the max and included everything, what good would > > it > be? > > > > Who would "repurpose" a system in Revit or for that matter, > > understand any sprinkler component? > > > > I have designed several Revit/BIM-based jobs - the primary purpose > > of which was coordination, of course. As for analysis though, pipe > > only screws in one way. Since 3d can be inserted into a Revit file > > anyhow, why use Revit for design? > > > > The only advantage that I can see is that if we throw out all cad > > programs (including Autocad), we can all do the same thing the same way. > > > > Am I misunderstanding something? > > > > > > At 09:51 AM 1/24/2013, you wrote: > > >My understanding is that Revit is a platform for BIM. > > > > > >On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:48 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > BIM as some define is not what we have here. BIM is a huge, > > > > complicated system. 99% of the CAD work done in 3D is nothing > > > > more > > than CAD work done > > > > in 3D. Real BIM inputs operational and usage data as well as work > > flow > > > > functions into a computer model for analyzing and optimizing > > > > utilities, work flow and a ton of other things. There are a few > > > > real BIM modeling programs out there but many incorrectly refer > > > > to any design work done in 3D as BIM. > > > > > > > > Craig L. 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