You cannot always apply the most demanding room - especially in OH
occupancies....seems like a BIG mess to me. I say this sincerely, I cannot
see the logic here and would love to understand what this is trying to
accomplish.
Greg

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Mark A. Sornsin, P.E. <
[email protected]> wrote:

> This strikes me as overthinking run amok.  I'm surprised it made it
> through to the final document. Is the logic that the area/density method
> requires flowing over the entire area? Thus, if your area is smaller than
> the required area you have a choice: use room design method, or add this
> phantom flow.
>
> Mark A. Sornsin, P.E. | Karges-Faulconbridge, Inc. | Fire Protection
> Engineer | Fargo, ND | direct: 701.552.9905 | mobile: 701.371.5759 |
> http://www.kfiengineers.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Cahill, Christopher
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 4:46 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Phantom Flow
>
> Not what you think by the subject.  Working out of NFPA 13 '13
> 23.4.4.1.1.5.  This is new and confusing us greatly.
>
> I have a 20,000 sq.ft. heated LH building. And a 2,000 sq.ft. area that
> needs a dry system.  Not an auxiliary dry system.  My starting required
> design is  0.1/3,900.  I calc the system at 2,000 sq.ft. (cuz that's all I
> have) and get for discussion sake 220 gpm.  Then I subtract from 390 (3,900
> x 0.1 per 23.4.4.1.1.5) and I get 170 gpm.  Then I go back to the calc and
> redo but this time I add 170 at the end of the main.  Now this has the
> effect of overflowing all the rest of the BL's such my final calc is more
> than 390.
>
> !@#$^#
>
> What if I have a 500 sq.ft. building and the next building is 20 miles
> away  @#$@# are we calc'ing this extra area for?
>
> Can someone 'splain if we got it right and then why in the world this got
> into the standard?
>
> Chris Cahill, PE*
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