Sure.  That kinda stuff (putting heads in garages where not required by the 
standard) is what makes residential sprinklers a harder fight.  I understand a 
local can do what they want.  And maybe/probably they are even right.  But we 
always get accused of scope and job creep costing the builders money.  Because 
you know they are kind folks and absorb these additional costs.    

Chris Cahill, PE*
Senior Fire Protection Engineer, Aviation & Facilities Group
Burns & McDonnell
8201 Norman Center Drive
Bloomington, MN 55437
Phone:  952.656.3652
Fax:  952.229.2923
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matsuda, 
Richard
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 2:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Residential Garages, 13R & me.

Let me add more fuel to this discussion.

13D allows omitting the sprinklers from the garages...regardless of size...and 
regardless of whether or not additional living space is built above the garage.
Here in Texas, they built everything bigger...houses with 4 to 10 car 
garages...and 2 or 3-story houses with living areas above the garages...and 13D 
doesn't require sprinklers in these garages. Several jurisdictions in the area 
already require sprinklers in the garages whenever there are living space above.

Anyone wish to comment?
rick matsuda
city of dallas

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roland 
Huggins
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 2:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Residential Garages, 13R & me.

The repeat what John alluded to:  13D is focused solely on life safety 
(although property protection typically comes along for the ride for MOST 
fires) as portrayed by the 10 minutes supply.  13R intends a longer duration of 
life safety and a small bump in property protection with the
30 minute supply and larger design area. IN looking at section 1.2.1 - Purpose 
for both documents, the term property protection is not in 13D but is in 13R.

Roland

Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
American Fire Sprinkler Assn.       ---      Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives
Dallas, TX
http://www.firesprinkler.org





On Jun 20, 2013, at 11:41 AM, Vince Sabolik <[email protected]> wrote:

> At the risk of sounding even more stupid than I feel, why would 13D 
> allow ommission of garage heads and 13R not?
> 
> Same situation, the garage is under a room (above) in 13D -or- in 13R, 
> just an extra story.
> 

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