Well unfortunately the drawing does say stage and the area is approx. 1600
sqft. 



Craig Leadbetter

Safeguard of Marquette
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
rongreenman .
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 10:35 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Stages

According to an AHJ I had to deal with once, it was a stage if the architect
wrote stage and a platform if he wrote platform. This opened up so many
possibilities.


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Cahill, Christopher
<[email protected]>wrote:

> It's defined twice in IBC
>
> Inversely in the definition for PLATFORM. A raised area within a 
> building used for worship, the presentation of music, plays or other 
> entertainment; the head table for special guests; the raised area for 
> lecturers and speakers; boxing and wrestling rings; theater-in-the 
> round stages; and similar purposes wherein there are no overhead 
> hanging curtains, drops, scenery or stage effects other than lighting and
sound.
>
> And STAGE. A space within a building utilized for entertainment or 
> presentations, which includes overhead hanging curtains, drops, 
> scenery or stage effects other than lighting and sound.
>
> So do you have curtains, drops, scenery or other stage effects?  Note 
> size does not matter, storage underneath does not matter when defining 
> whether you have a stage or not.
>
> Chris Cahill, PE*
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> Burns & McDonnell
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of 
> [email protected]
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:40 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Stages
>
> IFC 905.3.4 ('06 ed) kicks in the hose valve requirement at greater 
> than
> 1000 sqft. So I guess a "stage" can be under 1000 sqft. but the hose 
> valves wouldn't be required.
>
> Ron F
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard 
> Lindner
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:46 AM
> To: sprinklerforum@lists firesprinkler. org
> Subject: Re: Stages
>
> You need to use the appropriate building code to determine platform vs 
> stage for this area of the country. If stage, square footage and 
> ability to store under will also come into play.
>
> Richard
> On Oct 10, 2013 7:06 AM, "Craig Leadbetter" 
> <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > At what point does a stage become a stage rather than just a raised 
> > platform?
> >
> > I am working on a project that is an old school that is being 
> > converted to apartments, however a portion of the building will 
> > remain as an educational classification with a school "stage" in the 
> > gymnasium portion of the building.
> >
> > Should I be looking at this as a full blown "stage" and all of the 
> > hose stations and such or am I over thinking? I am trying to 
> > eliminate the need for a fire pump.
> >
> > No, I can't ask the engineer. we basically got an x through the 
> > drawings and says provide fire protection to meet code.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > Craig Leadbetter
> >
> > Safeguard of Marquette
> > PO Box 116
> > Marquette, MI 49855
> >
> >
> > (P) 906-475-9955
> > (F) 906-475-5474
> > (C) 906-362-5393
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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