Ask the AHJ about the green room and proscenium, curtains, backdrops, etc., all that other stuff that makes it a stage per the IBC definition. Get the architect to write him a letter that it's a raised floor feature. If I recall IBC stages are enclosed on three sides, with a proscenium in front, curtains, backdrops, etc. again, which make them a special fire hazard needing all that extra attention. A platform is a raised floor that may have a combustible concealed space below it.
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Craig Leadbetter <[email protected] > wrote: > Well unfortunately the drawing does say stage and the area is approx. 1600 > sqft. > > > > Craig Leadbetter > > Safeguard of Marquette > PO Box 116 > Marquette, MI 49855 > > > (P) 906-475-9955 > (F) 906-475-5474 > (C) 906-362-5393 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > rongreenman . > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 10:35 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Stages > > According to an AHJ I had to deal with once, it was a stage if the > architect > wrote stage and a platform if he wrote platform. This opened up so many > possibilities. > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Cahill, Christopher > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > It's defined twice in IBC > > > > Inversely in the definition for PLATFORM. A raised area within a > > building used for worship, the presentation of music, plays or other > > entertainment; the head table for special guests; the raised area for > > lecturers and speakers; boxing and wrestling rings; theater-in-the > > round stages; and similar purposes wherein there are no overhead > > hanging curtains, drops, scenery or stage effects other than lighting and > sound. > > > > And STAGE. A space within a building utilized for entertainment or > > presentations, which includes overhead hanging curtains, drops, > > scenery or stage effects other than lighting and sound. > > > > So do you have curtains, drops, scenery or other stage effects? Note > > size does not matter, storage underneath does not matter when defining > > whether you have a stage or not. > > > > Chris Cahill, PE* > > Senior Fire Protection Engineer > > Burns & McDonnell > > 8201 Norman Center Drive > > Bloomington, MN 55437 > > Phone: 952.656.3652 > > Fax: 952.229.2923 > > [email protected] > > www.burnsmcd.com > > > > Proud to be one of FORTUNE's 100 Best Companies to Work For > > *Registered in: MN > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of > > [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:40 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: Stages > > > > IFC 905.3.4 ('06 ed) kicks in the hose valve requirement at greater > > than > > 1000 sqft. So I guess a "stage" can be under 1000 sqft. but the hose > > valves wouldn't be required. > > > > Ron F > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard > > Lindner > > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 4:46 AM > > To: sprinklerforum@lists firesprinkler. org > > Subject: Re: Stages > > > > You need to use the appropriate building code to determine platform vs > > stage for this area of the country. If stage, square footage and > > ability to store under will also come into play. > > > > Richard > > On Oct 10, 2013 7:06 AM, "Craig Leadbetter" > > <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > At what point does a stage become a stage rather than just a raised > > > platform? > > > > > > I am working on a project that is an old school that is being > > > converted to apartments, however a portion of the building will > > > remain as an educational classification with a school "stage" in the > > > gymnasium portion of the building. > > > > > > Should I be looking at this as a full blown "stage" and all of the > > > hose stations and such or am I over thinking? 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