Only the sprinklers are 175, everything else is 250-300.
Ron F

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Christopher
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I revise my comments just a bit now understanding the discharge is OK it's 
something below discharge that is over 175.  But same points though,  whatever 
is over 175 if listed then OK.  If talking about firefighter standpipe valves 
the FD can accept the 3 psi.  I would if I were the FD.  PRV's have killed 
firefighters. But I'd still want the higher pressure listed 
valves/pipe/fittings/sprinklers....so it doesn't break (and yes I get the 
difference in probability of 178 vs. 175 and something breaking is negligible).

Chris 


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The valves are below the pump discharge. The churn at the pump discharge is 
less than 175.
Ron F

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What is the elevation of the first floor hose valves in relation to the 
discharge flange of the fire pump?

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3.8.1.9.2 Static Pressure. The pressure that exists at a given point under 
normal distribution system conditions measured ...
We have a project with an electric pump and when combined with the current 
water supply the churn pressure is 178 psi. A nationally known engineering firm 
wants us to install PRV's on the lowest level of the building because of the 3 
psi. Our position is that the pressure only exists at churn and that is similar 
to an overnight pressure surge in a municipal water system. The over pressure 
will be compensated for by the pressure relief valves once the pump stops. Are 
we being overly loose with our interpretation of "normal" or is the engineering 
firm correct?
Ron F  

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