We have jurisdictions out here with very specific requirements and one city mandates a proprietary test header design for high-rise buildings that is only to be located in the pump room. Because we typically cast high-rise tanks in place with concrete, it's a simple exercise to block out an opening and then build a play-pipe rack in front of the opening. This FD doesn't want to use flow meters (why that is, I have no idea) and requires a pitot be taken from each stream as it flows from the pump test main back into the tank through the opening.
Uh huh, I know, California, blah blah blah. SML -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Denhardt Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:02 PM To: '[email protected]' Subject: RE: pump test header valves NFPA 20 was modified recently. It does not allow the header in the room. I was told the intent was not to allow the fire hose connection in the room under any situation. We used to install the header in the room all the time. John John August Denhardt, P.E., FSFPE Strickland Fire Protection Incorporated 5113 Berwyn Road College Park, Maryland 20740 Office Telephone Number: 301-474-1136 Mobile Telephone Number: 301-343-1457 FIRE SPRINKLERS SAVE LIVES - Can you live without them? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 5:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: pump test header valves Or, if possible keep headed in the pump room without valves, run hoses out to a truck mounted test rack with hose gates on the rack. This way the person reading the pitot can adjust the valves, Sent from my iPhone3200 USA Parkway McCarran NV 89434 United States > On Apr 9, 2014, at 12:49 PM, "John Denhardt" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Funny but true story: > > I had a client who was worried about security with the test header > penetrating the exterior of the building. They had us remove the test header > after each test and store in the fire pump/mechanical room. We were > instructed to install a blind flange using sealant on the bolts so the blind > flange would not be easily removed. Well, the client decided to have the > area cleaned up. To everyone surprise, when showed up for the annual fire > pump system test, no test header was in the room. After the investigation, > the employee that cleaned the room said he did not know what it was but it > was big, heavy and had brass valves. He made the decision to throw it away. > > Amazing - you can not make this stuff up! > > John > > > John August Denhardt, P.E., FSFPE > Strickland Fire Protection Incorporated > 5113 Berwyn Road > College Park, Maryland 20740 > Office Telephone Number: 301-474-1136 Mobile Telephone Number: > 301-343-1457 FIRE SPRINKLERS SAVE LIVES - Can you live without them? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > David Autry > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:32 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: pump test header valves > > LOL, I was think of one that I did, that had sixteen (16) valves. > > > David Autry > > Meininger Fire Protection Inc. > 2521 W L St. Suite No.4 > Lincoln, Ne 68522 > Voice (402) 466-2616 > Fax (402) 466-2617 > [email protected] > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > rongreenman . > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 12:43 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: pump test header valves > > Too bad, I was liking the 2 1/2" plastic pipe caps idea a lot. The > removing the entire test header is Ok but that has to be at least two > and probably three guys on anything bigger that a couple of three valves. > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Bobby McCullough < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> My mistake. The 2.5" plastic caps are hose threads & installed on >> the valve where only the caps were stolen, which is common. I only >> have a few projects with valves stolen & there we used threaded >> ductile caps on the nipples & locked the valves in the pump room. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Ben Young >> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 12:05 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: pump test header valves >> >> Bobby, >> >> Do you mean screw-on PVC caps, or the plastic break caps for FDC snoots? >> >> Thanks for the feeback everyone, I didn't realize this was so common. >> I'll have to start recommending this to some of our clients in high >> theft areas from now on. >> >> >> Benjamin Young >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Bobby McCullough >> <[email protected] >>> wrote: >> >>> We use 2.5" plastic caps. Not much value at the scrap yard. Take >>> the >> >>> valves in the pump room and use a bicycle cable & lock to keep them >>> from wandering off. >>> >>> Bobby McCullough >>> Atlanta Sprinkler >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>> Morey, Mike >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 8:49 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: pump test header valves >>> >>> They make test header outlets with male threaded outlets (basically >>> the opposite of an FDC) with hose caps that you remove and then >>> screw on hose valves that have a female swivel on the inlet side. >>> Of course >> >>> there's still the risk of someone stealing the hose caps and/or >>> brass adapteer fittings that provide the male hose thread, but at >>> least the valves aren't sitting out there too. >>> >>> Mike Morey, CFPS, SET >>> Planner Scheduler/Designer >>> BMWC Constructors, Inc. >>> 1740 W. Michigan St, Indianapolis, IN 46222 >>> O: 317.651.0596 | C: 317.586.8111 >>> [email protected] | www.bmwc.com >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: [email protected] >>> <[email protected]> on behalf of Ben >>> Young <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 8:40 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: pump test header valves >>> >>> Last week I was at an ASCET meeting where a pump presentation was >> given. >>> >>> Someone asked the presenter if it was allowed to remove the test >>> header valves and keep them in the pump room to stop them from being >> stolen. >>> >>> The presenter and few other attendees chimed in that this was ok, >>> and nothing in 20 or 25 said the valves had to be constantly in place. >>> >>> I didn't think of it at the time, but now I'm asking myself how then >>> do you keep debris out of the test header? The only thing I can >>> think >> >>> of is that you would have to cap the nipples or if you remove the >>> nipples, plug the holes in the test header. This sounds like it >>> will cause problems down the road to me. >>> >>> Have you guys ever seen this done before? >>> >>> Benjamin Young >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin >>> kl >>> er >>> .org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin >>> kl >>> er >>> .org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin >>> kl >>> er.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprink >> l >> er >> .org >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprink >> l >> er.org > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > Instructor > Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College > 1101 So. Yakima Ave. > Tacoma, WA 98405 > > [email protected] > > http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ > > 253.680.7346 > 253.576.9700 (cell) > > Member: > ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC, WFSC > > They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis > Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) > > A problem well stated is a problem half solved. -Charles F. Kettering, > inventor and engineer (1876-1958) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.o > rg > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
