This strikes me as somewhat counter-productive. Even in this mild climate (PacNW coastal) we do experience freezing event os long enough duration to freeze things. Even a slight leak in the control valve to the test header can fill the header and valves sufficiently between tests that damage could occur. There's a reason to allow them in the room. What's a good reason to not?
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:01 PM, John Denhardt <[email protected]>wrote: > NFPA 20 was modified recently. It does not allow the header in the room. > I was told the intent was not to allow the fire hose connection in the room > under any situation. We used to install the header in the room all the time. > > John > > > John August Denhardt, P.E., FSFPE > Strickland Fire Protection Incorporated > 5113 Berwyn Road > College Park, Maryland 20740 > Office Telephone Number: 301-474-1136 > Mobile Telephone Number: 301-343-1457 > FIRE SPRINKLERS SAVE LIVES - Can you live without them? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 5:58 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: pump test header valves > > Or, if possible keep headed in the pump room without valves, run hoses out > to a truck mounted test rack with hose gates on the rack. This way the > person reading the pitot can adjust the valves, > Sent from my iPhone3200 > USA Parkway > McCarran NV 89434 > United States > > > On Apr 9, 2014, at 12:49 PM, "John Denhardt" < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Funny but true story: > > > > I had a client who was worried about security with the test header > penetrating the exterior of the building. They had us remove the test > header after each test and store in the fire pump/mechanical room. We were > instructed to install a blind flange using sealant on the bolts so the > blind flange would not be easily removed. Well, the client decided to have > the area cleaned up. To everyone surprise, when showed up for the annual > fire pump system test, no test header was in the room. After the > investigation, the employee that cleaned the room said he did not know what > it was but it was big, heavy and had brass valves. He made the decision to > throw it away. > > > > Amazing - you can not make this stuff up! > > > > John > > > > > > John August Denhardt, P.E., FSFPE > > Strickland Fire Protection Incorporated > > 5113 Berwyn Road > > College Park, Maryland 20740 > > Office Telephone Number: 301-474-1136 > > Mobile Telephone Number: 301-343-1457 > > FIRE SPRINKLERS SAVE LIVES - Can you live without them? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of David Autry > > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:32 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: pump test header valves > > > > LOL, I was think of one that I did, that had sixteen (16) valves. > > > > > > David Autry > > > > Meininger Fire Protection Inc. > > 2521 W L St. Suite No.4 > > Lincoln, Ne 68522 > > Voice (402) 466-2616 > > Fax (402) 466-2617 > > [email protected] > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > > rongreenman . > > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 12:43 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: pump test header valves > > > > Too bad, I was liking the 2 1/2" plastic pipe caps idea a lot. The > > removing the entire test header is Ok but that has to be at least two and > > probably three guys on anything bigger that a couple of three valves. > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Bobby McCullough < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> My mistake. The 2.5" plastic caps are hose threads & installed on the > >> valve where only the caps were stolen, which is common. I only have a > >> few projects with valves stolen & there we used threaded ductile caps > >> on the nipples & locked the valves in the pump room. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > >> Ben Young > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 12:05 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: pump test header valves > >> > >> Bobby, > >> > >> Do you mean screw-on PVC caps, or the plastic break caps for FDC snoots? > >> > >> Thanks for the feeback everyone, I didn't realize this was so common. > >> I'll have to start recommending this to some of our clients in high > >> theft areas from now on. > >> > >> > >> Benjamin Young > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Bobby McCullough > >> <[email protected] > >>> wrote: > >> > >>> We use 2.5" plastic caps. Not much value at the scrap yard. Take > >>> the > >> > >>> valves in the pump room and use a bicycle cable & lock to keep them > >>> from wandering off. > >>> > >>> Bobby McCullough > >>> Atlanta Sprinkler > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [email protected] > >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > >>> Morey, Mike > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 8:49 AM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: RE: pump test header valves > >>> > >>> They make test header outlets with male threaded outlets (basically > >>> the opposite of an FDC) with hose caps that you remove and then > >>> screw on hose valves that have a female swivel on the inlet side. > >>> Of course > >> > >>> there's still the risk of someone stealing the hose caps and/or > >>> brass adapteer fittings that provide the male hose thread, but at > >>> least the valves aren't sitting out there too. > >>> > >>> Mike Morey, CFPS, SET > >>> Planner Scheduler/Designer > >>> BMWC Constructors, Inc. > >>> 1740 W. Michigan St, Indianapolis, IN 46222 > >>> O: 317.651.0596 | C: 317.586.8111 > >>> [email protected] | www.bmwc.com > >>> > >>> ________________________________________ > >>> From: [email protected] > >>> <[email protected]> on behalf of Ben > >>> Young <[email protected]> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 8:40 AM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: pump test header valves > >>> > >>> Last week I was at an ASCET meeting where a pump presentation was > >> given. > >>> > >>> Someone asked the presenter if it was allowed to remove the test > >>> header valves and keep them in the pump room to stop them from being > >> stolen. > >>> > >>> The presenter and few other attendees chimed in that this was ok, > >>> and nothing in 20 or 25 said the valves had to be constantly in place. > >>> > >>> I didn't think of it at the time, but now I'm asking myself how then > >>> do you keep debris out of the test header? The only thing I can > >>> think > >> > >>> of is that you would have to cap the nipples or if you remove the > >>> nipples, plug the holes in the test header. 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