No building code is the kicker here. Where ICC gives you IBC, IRC & IFC as the basic building code/safety code/maintenance code grouping NFPA gives you 1, 101 & 5000. What do they use in this secret location as a building code for stuff not necessarily life safety? Does every little structure need to be fully engineered?
On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 5:45 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Well here’s the kicker, since the LSC is the prevailing Building Code and > the LSC does not require sprinklers, NFPA 13 is irrelevant as far as > mandatory compliance. Also in this part of the country State law allows > the owner to act as the AHJ on their property if there is no local > municipal AHJ. Do you see why I’m having so much fun with this one? > > > > 13 doesn’t direct what occupancies get sprinklered, that’s the building or > fire code or in this case the Life Safety Code. The LSC allows the > occupancy in question to be constructed with no sprinkler requirement. My > guess is that this was an internal Safety Group directive by someone who > felt sprinklers would be beneficial in the warehouse part of the building > only but who also had no real knowledge of installations or requirements > and the contractor just did as he was asked. There is no documentation and > no one on the site from when this work was done. > > > > So the best I can come up with are recommendations for their consideration > but they are not constrained by any laws or codes to take any of the > recommendations. > > > > Personally I do love the fact that this is an area where you are not > constrained by a million laws regulating every aspect of your life but from > a code study and analysis standpoint, it creates a real challenge. > > > > Thanks to all for the ideas, thoughts and recommendations, > > > *Craig L. Prahl* > Fire Protection Group Lead/SME > *CH2M* > 200 Verdae Blvd. > Greenville, SC 29607 > Direct - 864.920.7540 > > Fax - 864.920.7129 > > CH2MHILL Extension 77540 > [email protected] > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *rongreenman > . > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2016 7:28 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Installing non-required systems [EXTERNAL] > > > > I think your path would be where 13 specifies all areas must be sprinklers > unless specifically omitted. So you have the areas you would normally > exclude if they meet the specified criteria in 13 or if the jurisdiction > has a specific ordinance allowing you leave an area unprotected. Seattle > used to have a life safety provision for retrofit of hotels and group homes > where you just sprinklered the hllls and ran a head into each unit over the > door. > > > On Wednesday, July 27, 2016, Parsley Consulting <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Craig, > I don't know where that exists, however my concern would be that > you'll still need to establish a standard for design, including coverage > areas, calculations, materials, and on and on. I haven't done anything > like that in more than a decade so I'd be interested to see what you come > up with. > > > > > > > *Ken Wagoner, SET Parsley Consulting 350 West 9th Avenue, Suite 206 > Escondido, California 92025 Phone 760-745-6181 <760-745-6181> Visit our > website <http://www.parsleyconsulting.com/> * > > On 07/27/2016 2:58 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Somewhere within NFPA 13 I recall seeing a statement which says basically > that if you install a system voluntarily (not required by Code) it must > still be installed per the NFPA Standard. > > > > Anyone know where that is, I’ve hunted all over and can’t find it within > either the 2010 or 2013 NFPA 13 editions. > > > > > *Craig L. Prahl* > Fire Protection Group Lead/SME > *CH2M* > 200 Verdae Blvd. > Greenville, SC 29607 > Direct - 864.920.7540 > > Fax - 864.920.7129 > > CH2MHILL Extension 77540 > [email protected] > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > -- Ron Greenman 4110 Olson Dr., NW Gig Harbor, WA 98335 [email protected] 253.576.9700 A problem well stated is a problem half solved. -Charles F. Kettering, inventor and engineer (1876-1958)
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