Hmmmm. I think those columns are excessive. I'll reduce them by half and not wastefully hide steel that can't be seen anyway in them. Two outlets ought to be good enough. If they need more they can use plug strips daisy-chained together. What kind of whacko place is this your'e working in?
On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 7:53 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > IBC/IFC are not adopted by the state, they are not applicable or > enforceable, only the LSC. This is not a unique condition across the US. > > > > For construction, it’s up to the owner and contractor to decide what code > if any they intend to follow. Most will follow the IBC as a recognized > standard but they are not required to adhere to every aspect of it if they > determine it has no benefit since it’s not a mandatory Code. > > > > > > > > > *Craig L. Prahl* > Fire Protection Group Lead/SME > *CH2M* > 200 Verdae Blvd. > Greenville, SC 29607 > Direct - 864.920.7540 > > Fax - 864.920.7129 > > CH2MHILL Extension 77540 > [email protected] > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *rongreenman > . > *Sent:* Thursday, July 28, 2016 9:48 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Installing non-required systems [EXTERNAL] > > > > No building code is the kicker here. Where ICC gives you IBC, IRC & IFC as > the basic building code/safety code/maintenance code grouping NFPA gives > you 1, 101 & 5000. What do they use in this secret location as a building > code for stuff not necessarily life safety? Does every little structure > need to be fully engineered? > > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 5:45 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well here’s the kicker, since the LSC is the prevailing Building Code and > the LSC does not require sprinklers, NFPA 13 is irrelevant as far as > mandatory compliance. Also in this part of the country State law allows > the owner to act as the AHJ on their property if there is no local > municipal AHJ. Do you see why I’m having so much fun with this one? > > > > 13 doesn’t direct what occupancies get sprinklered, that’s the building or > fire code or in this case the Life Safety Code. The LSC allows the > occupancy in question to be constructed with no sprinkler requirement. My > guess is that this was an internal Safety Group directive by someone who > felt sprinklers would be beneficial in the warehouse part of the building > only but who also had no real knowledge of installations or requirements > and the contractor just did as he was asked. There is no documentation and > no one on the site from when this work was done. > > > > So the best I can come up with are recommendations for their consideration > but they are not constrained by any laws or codes to take any of the > recommendations. > > > > Personally I do love the fact that this is an area where you are not > constrained by a million laws regulating every aspect of your life but from > a code study and analysis standpoint, it creates a real challenge. > > > > Thanks to all for the ideas, thoughts and recommendations, > > > *Craig L. Prahl* > Fire Protection Group Lead/SME > *CH2M* > 200 Verdae Blvd. > Greenville, SC 29607 > Direct - 864.920.7540 > > Fax - 864.920.7129 > > CH2MHILL Extension 77540 > [email protected] > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *rongreenman > . > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2016 7:28 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Installing non-required systems [EXTERNAL] > > > > I think your path would be where 13 specifies all areas must be sprinklers > unless specifically omitted. So you have the areas you would normally > exclude if they meet the specified criteria in 13 or if the jurisdiction > has a specific ordinance allowing you leave an area unprotected. Seattle > used to have a life safety provision for retrofit of hotels and group homes > where you just sprinklered the hllls and ran a head into each unit over the > door. > > > > On Wednesday, July 27, 2016, Parsley Consulting <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Craig, > I don't know where that exists, however my concern would be that > you'll still need to establish a standard for design, including coverage > areas, calculations, materials, and on and on. I haven't done anything > like that in more than a decade so I'd be interested to see what you come > up with. > > > > > > > *Ken Wagoner, SET Parsley Consulting 350 West 9th Avenue, Suite 206 > Escondido, California 92025 Phone 760-745-6181 <760-745-6181> Visit our > website <http://www.parsleyconsulting.com/> * > > On 07/27/2016 2:58 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Somewhere within NFPA 13 I recall seeing a statement which says basically > that if you install a system voluntarily (not required by Code) it must > still be installed per the NFPA Standard. > > > > Anyone know where that is, I’ve hunted all over and can’t find it within > either the 2010 or 2013 NFPA 13 editions. > > > > > *Craig L. Prahl* > Fire Protection Group Lead/SME > *CH2M* > 200 Verdae Blvd. > Greenville, SC 29607 > Direct - 864.920.7540 > > Fax - 864.920.7129 > > CH2MHILL Extension 77540 > [email protected] > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > > > -- > > Ron Greenman > > > 4110 Olson Dr., NW > Gig Harbor, WA 98335 > > [email protected] > > 253.576.9700 > > > > A problem well stated is a problem half solved. -Charles F. 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