You will be able to tell this question is based on minimum software application 
experience, but does current software automatically determine “most demanding”? 
 Or, is it up to the human operator to guess where this area might be?  If it’s 
a guess, how do you know you have chosen correctly?

 

Bill Brooks

 

From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Steve Leyton
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Flexheads in small renovation

 

To underscore John’s point, these fittings impose with a SUBSTANTIAL pressure 
loss.   As 3rd party, we would ask for calculations to prove the performance of 
the revised configuration.

 

SL

 

From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Michael Hill
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:11 AM
To: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> 
Subject: RE: Flexheads in small renovation

 

I agree with Richard, it needs to be evaluated. It is known that flex piping is 
generally more demanding than their hard piped counterparts. If the base 
building design did not include flex piping, I would look at it as a change to 
base building design and perform a quick calculation to see how it looks. I 
assume they didn’t use excessively long flex pipe with more bends or lops than 
were needed.

 

Mike Hill

 

From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 8:39 AM
To: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> 
Subject: RE: Flexheads in small renovation

 

This is a single story building. Multiple looped 4" and 3" cross mains with 
branches to wings. (Think nursing home with interior court yards). No fire 
pump. 100 psi static with a flat curve (2 year old test, DeltaE = 0). Area in 
question not most hydraulically remote but toward that end of the building. 
Branch lines are fed from the loop, not a DE branch main. LH occupancy. 

 

I am not worried about this not being adequate, more a consensus of what needs 
to be done and what is correct. 

Todd G Williams, PE

Fire Protection Design/Consulting

Stonington, CT

860-535-2080 (ofc)

860-608-4559 (cell)

 

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On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Richard Carr <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

I can’t disagree with John (Hi John) but we need more info to make the call,

In remote area?

Fire pump?

What is safety margin on existing?

What is friction loss on the flex?

 

Just because you add 4 flex piping to an existing system does not require it to 
be calculated. But does need to be evaluated.

 

Richard Carr, SET

Branch Manager

Cox Fire Protection, Inc

6555 Grace Lane.

Jacksonville, Fl. 32205

[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 

904-781-8227

 

From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of John Irwin
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 7:14 AM
To: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> 
Subject: RE: Flexheads in small renovation

 

I disagree with Richard. (Hi Richard!)

 

Relocating these sprinklers with flex heads may very well change the location 
of the most hydraulically remote area to the place you are working. Flex-heads 
come with a substantial pressure loss. Even if doing calculations wasn’t 
required, I would want to do them for myself for peace of mind. My belief has 
always been that you can’t tax the system without verifying that it still works.

 

John Irwin

Manger – Fire Sprinkler Division

Critical System Solutions, LLC
Cell:     813.618.2781

Email:  [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> 

 

 

From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Richard Carr
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 7:08 AM
To: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> 
Subject: RE: Flexheads in small renovation

 

Are the relocates in the remote area? if not I would not calc. also , some flex 
brands are better that others as far as friction loss.

 

Richard Carr, SET

Branch Manager

Cox Fire Protection, Inc

6555 Grace Lane.

Jacksonville, Fl. 32205

[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> 

904-781-8227

 

From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:30 AM
To: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> 
Subject: Flexheads in small renovation

 

I have a client that did a 4 sprinkler relocate job in an office and used 
Flexheads (no sprinklers added). If the sprinklers were connected with hard 
pipe, I would probably not do hydraulic calculations. Given that we have FHs, 
should I be doing a full 900 or 1500 sqft calculation? 

Todd G Williams, PE

Fire Protection Design/Consulting

Stonington, CT

860-535-2080 (ofc)

860-608-4559 (cell)

 

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