So, what would make them non-compliant? Obstructions, like ductwork and stuff?
When we’ve gotten similar pushback, it’s been because we’ve had 155-degree heads and the inspector has claimed that they aren’t appropriate for an unconditioned space (we’re working in Phoenix, so it can get unbelievably hot in “attic” spaces). I don’t know if that’s actually a concern though; I’m not aware of any sprinklers activating in this scenario. -Kyle M From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> On Behalf Of Tony Silva via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 2:49 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Tony Silva <apsen...@gmail.com>; Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G <tm...@mfpdesign.com>; Ed Vining <fpe...@gmail.com> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Uprights in non combustible concealed space Yes, it is specified in NFPA 13. NFPA 13, does not tell you which buildings are required to be sprinklered, which task is up to the building code or local ordinances. However, if the building is sprinklered (whether by mandate or voluntarily), it has to comply with NFPA 13. Note that the scope of NFPA 13 is to provide minimum requirements for the design and installation of automatic sprinkler systems. Not just the requirements for systems that are mandated. Just take the garage in your home. Depending on local requirements, you may not require one for your house. However, if you build one, it has to comply with code requirements. So if you leave the sprinklers in the concealed space, make sure they comply with code requirements. My two cents, Tony On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:48 PM Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> wrote: I could be wrong, but isn’t there something in IFC that states a fire protection system left in place needs to be compliant for the area? I’ve had inspectors interpret as you indicate. 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The codes and standards determine the decision. This may be my last post. At the age of 95 I am starting to lose interest. Ed Vining 2770 Pleasant Hill Rd Apt 228 Pleasant Hill CA 95423 925-448-2159 fpe...@gmail.com<mailto:fpe...@gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 11:28 AM Cary Webber via Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> wrote: On the downside, if all areas above the ceilings are not protected, it may give a false sense of security. On the upside, more sprinklers are better, and even if not required they can act as detectors in the space. Bottom line is that the AHJ has ultimate decision making authority. 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Do not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the content is safe. We installed temporary upright Protection in a partially occupied building during a major renovation. We then came back and dropped pendent heads in the new ceiling. We left the uprights above the new ceiling. Fire inspector says we need to remove the uprights now. Is there a basis for removing these? I realize they are not required but are they permitted to remain? 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