It's fine line threaded here with lots of gray area.
I will study (legalize), and maybe respond "my" opinion as to what I think of it, but there are things not addressed at the first glance such as that there are more than one thing Struts can integrate and that JSF is not a replacement for Struts (on apache.org). (Ex. PHB thinking: "Even Struts main guy is implying to go JSF"). Once it is implied that Struts is.... limited, will users want to keep invest in it?
Regarding Servlet 2.x, no tomcat-dev's on TC list implies that 2.5 servlet version is iPlanet. (RI for JSF is *not* Apache, it's a vendor, so who will say that we wont have JBoss type * TCK issues *. You can't "enforce" that, you (Craig) can only ASK Sun lawyers to be kind to ASF or sf.net).
JSTL is Apache license, so no possibility of TCK issues.
I think JSF should be given a chance of competing fairly against Struts (as a replacement or otherwise, if Struts is not limited; and that other vendors be given equal chance to compete, and that apache.org stays out of it.)
No addressing of precedent of a vendor integration on apache.org (or harder to prove "limitation" of apache project in favor of "replaceing" with a vendor) (Only precident I brought up was JBoss _not_ complying with TCK )
It would have been much simpler to place the integration jars on sf.net for now, and list other vendors (and not limit Struts in other ways).
Maybe I just leave the issue there, everyone can read the Craig post and form their opinion (people can sleep in the bed they made).
Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
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.V
ps: I have personal belief that JSF hype will be followed by search for the guilty, punishment of the innocent and praise for non participant. My preference is Apache Struts takes no part of Sun JSF.
It's my personal belief that Vic doesn't speak for Apache, or for the Struts developer community, on this topic :-). Vic is not, in fact, a part of either community that he makes this recommendation to. I wish he would stick to speaking for himself.
Craig
Community also includes users, at least it says so on ASF home page. There is a lot of "I" and "my" in ps that delineates personal feelings. My belief is that Craig is a Sun employee; but that is detracting from above. Craig did give Struts to the community (thanks !) but now it belongs to community (I do not imply anything else in here)
Also OT, Craig promised me a -1 months ago (in a private e-mail) to ever be a struts-dev community; because I publicly stated that I think that EJB should not be used for persistence. (To me JSF = EJB; *I* think they are over-hyped, and will lead cooperate developers away from J2EE ultimately., but... like I say OT if JSF is good or bad, and OT that I am not a Struts-dev)
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