Bryan: A fully loaded Chevy Suburban Silverado. It was an all around bad mistake. I do have a bad temper. It was an excellent tax write off. Again, hopefully a new person to diesels won't do the same.
Harley -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Fullerton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 11:11 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] cold weather starting - No starting fluid! Darn wish I would have been around.. if that was all that was wrong with it then it wouldn't be that hard to fix. I would have given a few pesos for it.. Bonus points if it had been a chevy or GM truck.. Bryan Fullerton White Knight Gifts www.youcandobusiness.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "harley3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] cold weather starting - No starting fluid! > It was a very cold day, and the engine was cranking very slow. That's when > I remembered the story, how my father use to start an old diesel tractor > with starting fluid. Heck if I remember how much fluid I used, but it was > to much. I let the glow plugs warm up, and tried to start the engine. It > sounded like a back fire. I tried the starting cycle again. But I got a > whine, as if the starter was not making contact. I got out and checked > under the truck. I could see the starter was hanging down from the engine. > I decided at that time I had used to much starting fluid. I do remember > saying you dumb sh*t. When I went to install a new starter. I looked into > the hole where the starter goes into, and saw the gaping hole where the > teeth were missing. I was very demonized. I ended up donating the truck > to a local charity that deals with autos. > > The jest of the story is, I do not want someone new to diesels to duplicate > my ignorance. One destroyed starter / starter ring is to much. > > Harley > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Fullerton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 5:14 PM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] cold weather starting - No starting fluid! > > > I think you used too much.. besides in that engine the torque converter > doesn't have any teeth.. the flex plate does. The idea is to use just > enough > to add a little heat in the compression cycle. You dont want to put in so > much energy that you can blow the thing apart. I suspect you engine may > not > have been cranking very fast and you had too much starting fluid. The > result > was the compression from that cylider fired before TDC causeing the piston > to reverse direction. You may have already had a broken bolt on your > starter. its not uncommon. Used carefully starting fluid works just fine > but it is not a good substitute for poor cranking speed. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "harley3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 5:51 AM > Subject: RE: [biofuel] cold weather starting - No starting fluid! > > > > Never use "starting fluid" in a diesel engine. I tried starting fluid > once > > in my 6.5 diesel G.M. Suburban. The engine spit the starter out onto > the > > ground. My foolish mistake broke the starter, and torn out 5 teeth > off > my > > torque converter. A very expensive mistake, never again. > > > > Harley > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bryan Fullerton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:52 PM > > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] cold weather starting > > > > > > Well this is controversial but I have used it on occasion with much > > success. > > I spray a 3 second burst of starting fluid on the air filter element > and > > then crank it up.. if youcant get to that then no more then 3 seconds > in > > the > > intake somewhere. air getting pulled past the starting fluid carries > the > > vapors into the cylinder where they combust quite easily. Starting > fluid > > is > > a hot fuel and must be used very cautiously. If you get carried away > and > > spray it all over youcould get in trouble esp if you have a poor > > electrical > > connection somewhere. I would use alot of caution with Gas engines and > > extreme caution with older gas engines that have points and condensor. > > Usually I recommend only using starting fluid on older diesels that > are > > kinda worn out. If you intend to use your diesel where the air is > really > > cold, below 15 degrees F, I would suggest that you double check your > > batteries. I think most diesels have two batteries to start. since > > cranking > > speed is very(did I mention VERY) VERY important in its ability to > start > > when cold I recommend adding a 3rd battery. It cant hurt and it does > help. > > I > > have 3 starting batteries in my 6.5(used tobe 6.2) '83 chevy Van. I > also > > have 3 or 4 accessory batteries that hook into the circuit soon as I > start > > cranking. before I went to low compression pistons I had no trouble > > starting > > this without even useing the glowplugs till it got down to about 28 > > degrees > > F. If youcant go wtih three batteries make sure the two youdo have are > the > > biggest and the best and are preferably less then 3 years old. Good > > skiing. > > > > PS > > Never hurts to have a can of starting fluid in the trunk. > > > > Sincerely, > > Bryan Fullerton > > White Knight Gifts > > www.youcandobusiness.com > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Greg and April" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:44 AM > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] cold weather starting > > > > > > > Were do you live? It used to be in Land Crusiers ( in Canada ) had > duel > > > heavy duty batteries for starting. > > > > > > Here in Colorado Springs, my father was told by his mechanic to add > a > > little > > > gasoline to the tank before pumping the diesel. I think that it > about > 1 > > or > > 2 > > > qts of gasoline to a tank of diesel to thin it out a fraction. He > used > > this > > > method for 3-5 years before his VW was totaled. > > > > > > I have heard of a method, that uses touline, to make biodiesel > easier > to > > > start in winter, but it is only something I have heard, and not yet > used > > my > > > self ( I don't own a diesel yet ). This or the gasoline method might > > work > > > for SVO or WVO as well, I don't know. > > > > > > Greg H. > > > > > > Greg H. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael Henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 08:49 > > > Subject: [biofuel] cold weather starting > > > > > > > > > > I've actually just bought my first diesel car, and this is one of > my > > > > main concerns (as I said, I don't really know anything!) - If I go > > > > skiing and can't plug my car in, for the day or sometimes even for > a > > few > > > > days, do you have tips on starting it when I want to get home? Is > this > > > > something I need to worry about? Sounds like you have lots of > > > > experience, and I really don't know what to expect going into my > first > > > > winter with a diesel. When I get that far, I'm also planning to > mix > > > > biodiesel with petro diesel to reduce cold weather starting > problems. > > Is > > > > that a good solution? > > > > > > > > While it may not be a real problem at all, It may be a percieved > > problem > > > > with diesel - for people like me who don't know much about it but > what > > > > they've heard. The effect can be the same. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > Hakan Falk wrote: > > > > > > > > >I had diesel cars the last 26 years as private vehicle, both in > > Sweden > > > and > > > > >after I moved to middle and southern Europe. In Sweden it was > often > > minus > > > > >25 Celsius in the winter and minus 15 Celsius in Central Europe. > The > > only > > > > >time I had serious problem was one time when I was skiing in > Sweden > > and > > > it > > > > >was minus 40 Celsius for a couple of days. Had to heat it up and > then > > put > > > > >20% Kerosene in the tank. Could not ski anyway, since the risk > for > > bad > > > > >frostbites was too big. > > > > > > > > > >Hakan > > > > > > > > > >PS. during the same period I had gasoline company cars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >At 10:34 AM 12/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>I don't really know what I'm talking about, but from a Canadian > > > > >>perspective I think diesel is widely considered a "dirty" fuel > (and > > it > > > > >>sounds like the truth of this is what you're researching), but > also > > it's > > > > >>hard to start when it's minus 20 degrees, which is a real, if > > > > >>surmountable, problem in this climate - this second point > would > > also > > > > >>apply to some areas in the US. > > > > >> > > > > >>Mike > > > > >> > > > > >>>>Hello All, > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>I'm looking for a concise description of the differences > between > > > European > > > > >>>>(global if you know) and US diesel fuel (BTU, Sulphur content, > > > refinement > > > > >>>>processes, etc), exhaust systems (Catalytic converters, > emission > > > controls, > > > > >>>>etc), as well as any other significant combustion and/or > emissions > > > > >>>>differences. I'm trying to put together a complete but > digestible > > > > >>>>description of global diesel usage as well as the reasons for > it's > > > notable > > > > >>>>lack of presence in the US. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>Thanks, > > > > >>>>Thom > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>Hello Thom > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Good for you. Can't help much, but these might be useful: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>"Fuel Lubricity Reviewed", Paul Lacey, Southwest Research > > Institute, > > > > >>>Steve Howell, > > > > >>>MARC-IV Consulting, Inc., SAE paper number 982567, > International > > Fall > > > > >>> > > > > >>Fuels and > > > > >> > > > > >>>Lubricants Meeting and Exposition, October 19-22, 1998, San > > > > >>>Francisco, California. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Lubricity Benefits > > > > >>>http://www.biodiesel.org/pdf_files/Lubricity.PDF > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Best > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Keith > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > >>>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Biofuels list archives: > > > > >>>http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > > > >>>To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Your use of Yahoo! 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