It was a very cold day, and the engine was cranking very slow. That's when I remembered the story, how my father use to start an old diesel tractor with starting fluid. Heck if I remember how much fluid I used, but it was to much. I let the glow plugs warm up, and tried to start the engine. It sounded like a back fire. I tried the starting cycle again. But I got a whine, as if the starter was not making contact. I got out and checked under the truck. I could see the starter was hanging down from the engine. I decided at that time I had used to much starting fluid. I do remember saying you dumb sh*t. When I went to install a new starter. I looked into the hole where the starter goes into, and saw the gaping hole where the teeth were missing. I was very demonized. I ended up donating the truck to a local charity that deals with autos.
The jest of the story is, I do not want someone new to diesels to duplicate my ignorance. One destroyed starter / starter ring is to much. Harley -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Fullerton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 5:14 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] cold weather starting - No starting fluid! I think you used too much.. besides in that engine the torque converter doesn't have any teeth.. the flex plate does. The idea is to use just enough to add a little heat in the compression cycle. You dont want to put in so much energy that you can blow the thing apart. I suspect you engine may not have been cranking very fast and you had too much starting fluid. The result was the compression from that cylider fired before TDC causeing the piston to reverse direction. You may have already had a broken bolt on your starter. its not uncommon. Used carefully starting fluid works just fine but it is not a good substitute for poor cranking speed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "harley3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 5:51 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] cold weather starting - No starting fluid! > Never use "starting fluid" in a diesel engine. I tried starting fluid once > in my 6.5 diesel G.M. Suburban. The engine spit the starter out onto the > ground. My foolish mistake broke the starter, and torn out 5 teeth off my > torque converter. A very expensive mistake, never again. > > Harley > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Fullerton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:52 PM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] cold weather starting > > > Well this is controversial but I have used it on occasion with much > success. > I spray a 3 second burst of starting fluid on the air filter element and > then crank it up.. if youcant get to that then no more then 3 seconds in > the > intake somewhere. air getting pulled past the starting fluid carries the > vapors into the cylinder where they combust quite easily. Starting fluid > is > a hot fuel and must be used very cautiously. If you get carried away and > spray it all over youcould get in trouble esp if you have a poor > electrical > connection somewhere. I would use alot of caution with Gas engines and > extreme caution with older gas engines that have points and condensor. > Usually I recommend only using starting fluid on older diesels that are > kinda worn out. If you intend to use your diesel where the air is really > cold, below 15 degrees F, I would suggest that you double check your > batteries. I think most diesels have two batteries to start. since > cranking > speed is very(did I mention VERY) VERY important in its ability to start > when cold I recommend adding a 3rd battery. It cant hurt and it does help. > I > have 3 starting batteries in my 6.5(used tobe 6.2) '83 chevy Van. I also > have 3 or 4 accessory batteries that hook into the circuit soon as I start > cranking. before I went to low compression pistons I had no trouble > starting > this without even useing the glowplugs till it got down to about 28 > degrees > F. If youcant go wtih three batteries make sure the two youdo have are the > biggest and the best and are preferably less then 3 years old. Good > skiing. > > PS > Never hurts to have a can of starting fluid in the trunk. > > Sincerely, > Bryan Fullerton > White Knight Gifts > www.youcandobusiness.com > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg and April" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:44 AM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] cold weather starting > > > > Were do you live? It used to be in Land Crusiers ( in Canada ) had duel > > heavy duty batteries for starting. > > > > Here in Colorado Springs, my father was told by his mechanic to add a > little > > gasoline to the tank before pumping the diesel. I think that it about 1 > or > 2 > > qts of gasoline to a tank of diesel to thin it out a fraction. He used > this > > method for 3-5 years before his VW was totaled. > > > > I have heard of a method, that uses touline, to make biodiesel easier to > > start in winter, but it is only something I have heard, and not yet used > my > > self ( I don't own a diesel yet ). This or the gasoline method might > work > > for SVO or WVO as well, I don't know. > > > > Greg H. > > > > Greg H. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 08:49 > > Subject: [biofuel] cold weather starting > > > > > > > I've actually just bought my first diesel car, and this is one of my > > > main concerns (as I said, I don't really know anything!) - If I go > > > skiing and can't plug my car in, for the day or sometimes even for a > few > > > days, do you have tips on starting it when I want to get home? Is this > > > something I need to worry about? Sounds like you have lots of > > > experience, and I really don't know what to expect going into my first > > > winter with a diesel. When I get that far, I'm also planning to mix > > > biodiesel with petro diesel to reduce cold weather starting problems. > Is > > > that a good solution? > > > > > > While it may not be a real problem at all, It may be a percieved > problem > > > with diesel - for people like me who don't know much about it but what > > > they've heard. The effect can be the same. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > Hakan Falk wrote: > > > > > > >I had diesel cars the last 26 years as private vehicle, both in > Sweden > > and > > > >after I moved to middle and southern Europe. In Sweden it was often > minus > > > >25 Celsius in the winter and minus 15 Celsius in Central Europe. The > only > > > >time I had serious problem was one time when I was skiing in Sweden > and > > it > > > >was minus 40 Celsius for a couple of days. Had to heat it up and then > put > > > >20% Kerosene in the tank. Could not ski anyway, since the risk for > bad > > > >frostbites was too big. > > > > > > > >Hakan > > > > > > > >PS. during the same period I had gasoline company cars. > > > > > > > > > > > >At 10:34 AM 12/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > > >>I don't really know what I'm talking about, but from a Canadian > > > >>perspective I think diesel is widely considered a "dirty" fuel (and > it > > > >>sounds like the truth of this is what you're researching), but also > it's > > > >>hard to start when it's minus 20 degrees, which is a real, if > > > >>surmountable, problem in this climate - this second point would > also > > > >>apply to some areas in the US. > > > >> > > > >>Mike > > > >> > > > >>>>Hello All, > > > >>>> > > > >>>>I'm looking for a concise description of the differences between > > European > > > >>>>(global if you know) and US diesel fuel (BTU, Sulphur content, > > refinement > > > >>>>processes, etc), exhaust systems (Catalytic converters, emission > > controls, > > > >>>>etc), as well as any other significant combustion and/or emissions > > > >>>>differences. I'm trying to put together a complete but digestible > > > >>>>description of global diesel usage as well as the reasons for it's > > notable > > > >>>>lack of presence in the US. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Thanks, > > > >>>>Thom > > > >>>> > > > >>>Hello Thom > > > >>> > > > >>>Good for you. Can't help much, but these might be useful: > > > >>> > > > >>>"Fuel Lubricity Reviewed", Paul Lacey, Southwest Research > Institute, > > > >>>Steve Howell, > > > >>>MARC-IV Consulting, Inc., SAE paper number 982567, International > Fall > > > >>> > > > >>Fuels and > > > >> > > > >>>Lubricants Meeting and Exposition, October 19-22, 1998, San > > > >>>Francisco, California. > > > >>> > > > >>>Lubricity Benefits > > > >>>http://www.biodiesel.org/pdf_files/Lubricity.PDF > > > >>> > > > >>>Best > > > >>> > > > >>>Keith > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > >>>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >>> > > > >>>Biofuels list archives: > > > >>>http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > >>> > > > >>>Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > > >>>To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>> > > > >>>Your use of Yahoo! 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