<x-charset ISO-8859-1>Last thing in the world I need Bryan, is pointers from people such as yourself who advocate doing less than what is possible.
If you want to lay down like a doormat, great. Knock yourself out. Go ahead and waste what little political capital you have and don't vote. Seal the tomb with a little bit more of that concrete called inaction. Some people burn a candle from both ends, others from only one. You would apparently prefer to do neither and stumble around in darkness. Todd Swearingen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Brah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:12 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma... > Todd, > > > > I'm speaking from historical and empirical evidence when I say that it > doesn't matter which "party" is in power, nor does it make a whit who > you vote for. The illusion of a "two party system" it is just that. > While each party pushes its own pet programs, history has shown time and > time again, that only when those plans benefit the corporate oligarchs > do they come to fruition. So you can dream all you like about how > wonderful the world would be if Al Gore had not had the election stolen > from him, but that doesn't change the fact that it was and perhaps that > was the reason so. Here's a little pointer to help you navigate the > real world, your political naivety would almost be charming were you not > so self righteous. > > > > -BRAH > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:58 PM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma... > > > > Bryan, > > > As you point out Todd, I was the first to frame this discussion in the > > "us-them democrat-republican" thing, but it was merely an anticipatory > > post > > Yup. Pretty sad that. Thankfully life in general isn't orchestrated the > same > way you would manipulate a conversation. If it were to model your method > there would be but birth and death with no trip in between. > > As for your "to wit?" PNGV was Gore/Clinton's baby. They saw the writing > on > the wall and certainly were capable of understanding that while fuel > cells > hold futuristic benefits, they were and are not a technology that can > fill > the enormous gap in the interim. It will take 30-40 years at best to > convert > a liquid fuels infrastructure to a market wide hydrogen economy. And > that's > under a transportation "Marshall Plan." > > Putting 10 year life cycles on automobiles, on average, these people > knew > full well that there would be 2 and 3 generations of automobile > manufacture > before a general onset of fuel cell powered transport could become a > reality. That's hundreds of millions of vehicle sales that could have > largely been alternatives to present market offerings. > > But when using your pre-emptive thought process Gore would have scragged > PNGV as readily as Bush? Yeah. Right. And the pope is going to convert > to > Episcopalianism. > > You really need to get those political scales of yours recalibrated. You > seem to think the end results of a dual party legislative/executive > cycle > are going to yield duplicit results as a single party cycle. There's a > big > difference between a set of scales at least partly in balance and those > where a heavy thumb is always depressing one side.. > > As for > > > I don't discount them in the least; I simply doubt that anything I can > > do (within the current electoral system) will make a difference on > their > > actions. > > Then I suggest you sit on your thumb and spin to your heart's content > while > the rest of the world picks up your slack. > > Todd Swearingen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Brah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 12:43 PM > Subject: RE: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma... > > > > As you point out Todd, I was the first to frame this discussion in the > > "us-them democrat-republican" thing, but it was merely an anticipatory > > post. Any time Dubya does something stupid, shortsighted, or > reckless, > > which happens often enough, invariably the lamentation goes up that > "had > > he not stole the election from Al Gore, everything would be > different." > > To wit: > > > > > > > > > I can tell you one thing for absolute certain. Had Shrub not been > > appointed > > > we'd still have PNGV and probably a few 10,000 more hybrids on the > > road and > > > a myriad of other similar far reaching policies that would benefit > > future > > > generations rather than lining the pockets of contemporary > > corporations as > > > is the present destructive trend. > > > > > > > > How can you be so sure? With Republicans controlling both houses > Wooden > > Al would be hard pressed to pass anything. And while they don't have > > enough votes to override a presidential veto, they could easily have > > inserted their environmental rollbacks in appropriations, national > > security, or trade legislation. Oh wait a minute, that's what they > did > > anyway under GW. > > > > > Uhhh....there's just one other thing. If you think that you can > effect > > > substantial change much beyond what color of socks you're going to > > wear in > > > the morning, you're going to have to give some long consideration to > > > utilizing whatever yahoos might be in office on any given day - > either > > > utilize their stupidity against themselves or utilize their sway. > > > > > > > > Nice theory, but I don't have 180 million dollars, and as the last > > election proved, my vote isn't worth squat. As far as utilizing those > > "yahoos" in office, they're a lot more conniving and savvy than you > give > > them credit, how do you suggest influencing them, by writing letters > and > > signing petitions? How about protesting, what do you think that will > > get you besides an entry in the Terrorist (er I mean Total) > Information > > Awareness Database? > > > > > > > But you won't get as much done by discounting them. > > > > > > > > I don't discount them in the least; I simply doubt that anything I can > > do (within the current electoral system) will make a difference on > their > > actions. > > > > > > > > -BRAH > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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