Hakan and Guag,

  What we in Singapore know about Cambodia is only write up by Cambodian
refugees and King Norodom Sihanouk.

  When the Killing Fields was aired, everyone was outraged and enraged.
Subsequently the local news carried more news about later developments. By
then more than 2 million innocent Cambodians were slaughtered with the
skulls stacked in temple and shown on TV. Subsequently there were news about
Vietnamese capturing Cambodia. Pol Pot and Khieu Samphan fled into the
China. King Sihanouk all these while was sick and being treated in Beijing
and was powerless. We were aware that Pol Pot army were armed by the Chinese
and Russians. Finally we read that China had enough and told Vietnam to get
out of Cambodia or faced the wrath of the Chinese Army. The Chinese moved a
Division of their crack Szechuan unit across Vietnam's border and Vietnam
immediately moved out of Cambodia and Hun Sen was allowed to take over
Cambodia.

  What happened to 2 million Cambodian innocently killed by a lunatic Pol
Pot was certainly beyond comprehension? Killing Adolf Hitler would not bring
back millions of innocent Jews. The hanging of General Tojo would not bring
back the 20 million Chinese killed by the Japanese Army who claimed he was
acting under orders of the Japanese Emperor.

  Some people trying to blame the Chinese Government for the Killing Fields
in Cambodia, certainly has no leg to stand on.

  Moral - We must not let any lunatic run a country. Bush thought Saddam was
lunatic so he moved in.

  CS
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Guag Meister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Cambodia.


  > Hi Hakan ;
  >
  > I admit that I don't really know the whole story, so
  > anyone please feel free to correct me.  I have many
  > Khmer friends,  and I discuss this with them often.
  > >From what I understand there were weekly flights to
  > Beijing for supplies and military strategists.
  >
  > However (CS), this was only after a decade of secret
  > bombing by the US had smashed the country and killed
  > countless people..
  >
  > Pol Pot And Kissinger - On war criminality and
  > impunity
  > http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/hermansept97.htm
  >
  >  and
  >
  > The death of Pol Pot
  > http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/apr1998/plpt-a18.shtml
  >
  > "It was here that Pol Pot, heavily influenced by the
  > Chinese Stalinists, devised the political perspective
  > of what was to become the Khmer Rouge--an extreme form
  > of Mao Zedong's eclectic mixture of Stalinism,
  > nationalism and peasant radicalism.
  >
  > It is characteristic of the ideological falsification
  > produced by Stalinism that the label of Marxism has
  > been placed upon social and political phenomena which
  > have nothing whatsoever to do with the ideas of Marx,
  > Engels or Lenin.
  >
  > Classical Marxism envisioned a new society,
  > democratically controlled by the working class, which
  > would take as its point of departure the highest level
  > of the productive forces developed under capitalism.
  > This presupposed the widest possible scope for the
  > development of industry, science and technique, all of
  > them bound up with the growth of cities, the urban
  > proletariat and the cultural life of the population as
  > a whole.
  >
  > No more grotesque distortion can be imagined than to
  > categorize as "Marxist" the ideas of Pol Pot and his
  > cohorts. As early as the 1950s Khieu Samphan, Pol
  > Pot's closest aide, had outlined a perspective of
  > creating a primitive peasant-based society in which
  > money, culture and all other facets of urban life
  > would be abolished."
  >
  > and
  >
  > http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/faq/polpot2.html
  > "The Khmer Rouge regime reached a climax in September
  > 1977 when Pol Pot took to the airwaves and spoke for
  > nearly five hours on Cambodian radio. For the first
  > time, Pol Pot acknowledged to the world that Cambodia
  > was now run by a communist government. The day after
  > the speech he flew to Beijing to meet with Hua
  > Guofeng, who had just become leader of the People's
  > Republic of China following the death of Mao Ze Dong.
  > The Chinese pledged to support the Khmer Rouge's
  > rivalry with the Vietnamese but recommended against
  > all-out war, knowing full well that Vietnam was in a
  > much better position to win the fight. The meeting
  > probably delayed an impending Cambodian assault on
  > Vietnam, but the Vietnamese interpreted it as another
  > sign of China's military support of an increasingly
  > dangerous Cambodia. "
  >
  > I guess this validates what we have all been saying.
  > The average American wouldn't support secret bombing
  > of Cambodia, yet there was secret bombing.  The
  > average Chinese wouldn't support Pol Port, yet there
  > was Pol Pot.
  >
  > It is the shysters at the top that seem to screw
  > things up for everybody.  Will the average person ever
  > see?  I still have hope.
  >
  > Best Regards and Happy New Year!!,
  >
  > Peter G.
  > Thailand
  >
  > --- Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  >
  > >
  > > Peter,
  > >
  > > You live closer to it, but I have large difficulties
  > > to see that China
  > > was behind the Cambodian Pol Pot philosophies. It
  > > was in its
  > > essence an onslaught on education and knowledge,
  > > something
  > > that is very difficult to identify with the policies
  > > of China.
  > >
  > > China have during the last 50 years had a very
  > > active support of
  > > education and knowledge. They have gone to extremes
  > > to build
  > > a solid base of professionals in all sciences. I
  > > have seen and
  > > experienced this, since the early 1960's, in their
  > > student programs
  > > for foreign studies and their willingness to send
  > > students to other
  > > countries.
  > >
  > > Hakan
  > >
  >
  >
  >
  >
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