Hi Keith, In answer to your question:
Lets start with a litre of oil. Ours has a density of 910.9 grams/litre so a Free Fatty Acid content of 5% on a weight basis means that 5% of that 910.9 grams is FFA So one litre of oil with a FFA content of 5% (weight basis) contains 45.55 gms of FFA The chemical reaction of esterification is H+ R-COOH + CH3OH <=> CH3-OOC-R + H2O In other words, 1 molecule of acid reacts with one molecule of alcohol to give one molecule of ester plus one molecule of water . Using the molecular weights and choosing palmitic acid as the predominant fatty acid, we get that 256.42 grams of palmitic acid needs 32.04 grams of methanol to produce 18 grams of water and 270.5 grams of methyl palmitate. so 45.55 grams will need 32.04 x 45.55/256.42 = 5.69 grams of methanol Taking 791 grams/litre as the density of methanol, this means that we need to have a minimum 5.69/791 litres of methanol available for the reaction to go to completion. This is only 0.007 litres! So why do we add 0.08 litres of methanol per litre of oil as set out in "First stage para 4" of Aleksander Kac's http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html? Well the <=> sign in the above equation is to show that it is reversible. That is, if we take the ester and add some water in the presence of a strong acid, we get some free fatty acid formed and some alcohol. (This method is actually used in the analysis of unknown fats and oils ) The main reason we add excess methanol (about ten times as much as the stoichiometric amount needed) is to force the reaction further in the direction we want it go. Removing the water has the same effect so using concentrated sulfuric acid as the catalyst also helps the reaction move over to the right because it is really great at dehydrating things like sugar and human flesh . . . . . . . . :-( But, as I suggested in my note, the excess methanol also dilutes whatever water is left at the end of the esterification reaction. (And we are going to need that methanol for the transesterification stage anyway). When we neutralise that sulfuric acid with sodium hydroxide, we make sodium sulfate which does not bond to water quite as strongly as the sulfuric acid so, as a consequence, I suspect that the water activity probably increases. Incidentally, you can make the same calculation for any fatty acid found in vegetable or animal oils and you will find that between 9 and 12 times the minimum stoichiometric amount of methanol is used in the Aleksander Kac esterification process. For similar reasons, the transesterification process also uses excess methanol: 0.2 litres of methanol/litre of oil is about 1.7 times the stoichiometric amount needed and 0.25 litres of methanol/litre of oil is about twice the minimum amount needed. (Aleksander Kac's two methods). You get slightly different results if you cover all the possible mono-glycerides, di-glycerides, tri-glycerides of all the fatty acids but the above figures are quoted for glyceryl tri-palmitate which is one of the major components in our oil feedstock. This is why I feel that a condenser on the outlet of the reactor is a useful way of saving money. And because chemical reactions go faster at higher temperatures, we can carry out the reaction at a temperature closer to the boiling point of methanol (64.6C) by refluxing all the condensed methanol back into the reactor until the reaction is finished. At present we use a simple copper-pipe heat exchanger and we totally recycle the cooling water through two x 200 litre oil drums working as an evaporative cooler by having a sprinkler over three perforated baking trays. (I'll send you a picture and some plans if you like.) We have assessed the advantages of a condenser with our 100 litre reactor and, as a result, we our currently modifying the 1 tonne reactor used for making biodiesel from stearin. (This 1 tonne unit is the reactor which produces biodiesel for the railway trials) (Sorry to be a tad pedantic and maybe a bit long-winded but it sort of goes with the patch as a Visiting Professor here in Thailand!) Best wishes Michael Allen --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Michael > > <snip> > > >Incidentally, with respect to the high free fatty > acid > >feeds, the limit to the amount of FFA possible is > >probably related to the formation of water in > Alek's > >first stage esterification using sulfuric acid as > the > >catalyst. Thus 5%FFA in the oil means that 4mls of > >water are produced for every litre of oil. This > water > >increases soap formation in the second stage (which > is > >catalysed by sodium hydroxide). > > I know about the water, that'd be about right. But I > don't know about this: > > >Alek Kak's method > >(http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_aleksnew.html) > >reduces this impact by using 95% pure sulfuric acid > >which has a strong affinity for water. He also > >recommends about 9 times the amount of methanol > >theoretically needed to react with the FFA. This > also > >has the effect of reducing the water concentration. > > It uses 8% methanol v/v oil for the acid stage, and > 12% for the > second stage. You're saying acid esterification of > 5% FFAs needs less > than 1% methanol? > > >So, for high(er) FFA, more methanol and more > sulfuric > >acid should be beneficial. However, that means more > >sodium hydroxide to neutralise the acid and some > form > >of methanol recovery system. We use a simple > condenser > >connected to the reactor to grab the methanol. We > can > >either recycle this to the next batch or operate > the > >reactor under total reflux. This makes it possible > to > >operate the reactor at a higher temperature and so > >accelerate the rate of the separate reactions. > > You're using Aleks's acid-base method this way? Or > is that the > one-stage transesterification you mentioned > previously, for the > train's B50? > > Best > > Keith > > > >Hope this gives you some useful ideas > > > >Regards > > > >Michael Allen > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Allen > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Dear David, > > > > > > > > We did extensive work last year on heated > Straight > > > > Palm Oil (SPO) in two-wheeled tractors and > fishing > > > > boat motors. We had field trials by local > farmers > > > of > > > > four commercial tractors and did test-bed work > > > with > > > > three others. Crude palm oil caused erosion of > the > > > > pistons by late ignition but refined palm-oil > (of > > > the > > > > grade used for cooking oil) worked well. But > we > > > never > > > > got around to using it in a locomotive. > > > > > > > > This year we have been trying a range of > reactor > > > > designs to optimise methyl ester production > from > > > > refined oil. We are now moving back through > > > various > > > > forms of oil "refinement" towards the crude > palm > > > oil > > > > (CPO). And yes, we are currently using the > Aleks > > > Kak > > > > two-stage process. And yes it is currently at > > > > atmospheric pressure (although the reactor was > > > > designed to handle 200 kPa mainly as a safety > > > feature. > > > > Even so, some enthusiastic welders have > > > > "overpressurised" it twice now through > forgetting > > > to > > > > flood (and then drain) it with water before > > > modifying > > > > the unit). > > > > > > > > The locomotive I mentioned is running on a B50 > > > blend: > > > > It uses esters from a one stage > > > trans-esterification > > > > reaction of methanol with the stearin and > palmitin > > > > which has separated from the CPO. This waxy > stuff > > > is > > > > probably quite comparable with the good > Scottish > > > lard. > > > > > > > > Lots of luck! > > > > > > > > Michael Allen > > > > > > > > --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >Thanks for your response, prof. Allen. > I'll > > > > > formulate an inquiry to > > > > > >Mohammed Farid as you suggest. You > mentioned > > > Thai > > > > > railway application. I > > > > > >saw somewhere that German railways are > using > > > SVO in > > > > > some of their shunting > > > > > >engines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,53591,00.html > > > > > Choo-Choo Trains on Energy Crunch > > > > > > > > > > >The encouraging part of your message is you > are > > > > > reacting at 60C and that > > > > > >this is near methanol boiling point. That > > > implies > > > > > you are succeeding at > > > > > >atmospheric pressure. Do you use conc. > > > sulphuric > > > > > acid first stage? I agree > > > > > >meth recovery is so simple that using > excess is > > > not > > > > > really a problem. > > > > > > > > > > > >David T. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! 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