In addition, if you look at the world coal reserves, link here: http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/ieo/coal.html
The top 5 are: 1 US 2 Russia 3 China 4 India 5 Australia On 4/26/06, bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > like it or not, that is the most likely pathway to temporarily sustain > the unsustainable. The governor of Montana is currently touting coal > liquification (and throwing in "clean coal" buzz words all the while), > ethanol plants utilize coal for process, thereby indirectly converting > coal to liquids. I agree, Bob. The countries consuming the most are the ones that would benefit the most from CTL technologies. > the environment be damned, full speed ahead. > > Jason & Katie wrote: > > i'd be happy to buy a diesel, but no way in hell will it run on coal-base. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Weaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] And what does the Economist say about running out of > > oil? > > > > > >> We used to buy diesel cars in the US, but they were never too popular. > >> > >> Hakan Falk wrote: > >> > >>> LOL! > >>> > >>> US have huge amounts of coal, one third of known world reserves. Now > >>> it is only left to get the Americans to buy diesel vehicles 1% of > >>> current autos, to levels like Europes 50% of current vehicles. So > >>> instead of dependance of foreign oil, US will be dependent of foreign > >>> autos, but it is a large improvement of the situation anyway. Diesel > >>> engines 30% more efficient with smaller autos 50% more efficient and > >>> US will be at the level of Europeans. By the way, where is the > >>> "freedom cars"? On the streets of Europe!!!!! After this, US maybe > >>> even discover biodiesel. > >>> > >>> Hakan > >>> > >>> > >>> At 23:10 25/04/2006, you wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> WE ARE SAVED! WELL EXCEPT FOR THE CARBON THING.......... > >>>> > >>>> <http://www.technologyreview.com/BizTech/wtr_16713,296,p1.html>http://www.technologyreview.com/BizTech/wtr_16713,296,p1.html > >>>> > >>>> That's sarcasm folks....... > >>>> > >>>> Joe > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Mike Weaver wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Redler, you never like my ideas. You've made me cry. Now how do you > >>>>> feel? *snif* > >>>>> > >>>>> Ok I can't leave well enough alone. A good friend who follows peak oil > >>>>> pretty closely sent me this. I think it's optimistic at best and pretty > >>>>> delusional at worst. How long will it take (and cost) to get all this > >>>>> whiz bang stuff going? There's no doubt in my mind the petro economy > >>>>> is doomed. Now, if we had any sense we'd wean ourselves NOW, while we > >>>>> can, use whatever technology may work to do it and move to the next > >>>>> phase. Even in the best case scenario the price of oil is going to > >>>>> continue to climb and climb. > >>>>> > >>>>> They also make the sweeping statement that "the World is not about to > >>>>> run out of oil". The world WILL NEVER run out of oil. There just WON'T > >>>>> BE ENOUGH for everyone to go as we are. I'm sure there will alwasy be a > >>>>> trickle ot two... > >>>>> > >>>>> Weaver > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Michael Redler wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Schizophrenic/Procrastinating/Clueless economists: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> They concede to: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The rising costs of oil exploration > >>>>>> The eminent peak and subsequent end to oil as a main source of fuel > >>>>>> The fact that for every three barrels used there is only one barrel of > >>>>>> newly discovered oil to replenish it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> At the same time they seem to feel that new technology and techniques > >>>>>> in exploration and the resulting increase in yield allows you to delay > >>>>>> the peak. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> They also make the sweeping statement that "the World is not about to > >>>>>> run out of oil". > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What does "about" mean and when will they have the foresight to see > >>>>>> the value of doing something sooner rather than later? More > >>>>>> importantly, who is "the World" and when are they going to count > >>>>>> countries (i.e. Iraq) who are slowly losing control of their oil. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What a bunch of crap! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Weaver!! You couldn't leave well enough alone, could you. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mike > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> */Mike Weaver <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> <http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=6823506>http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=6823506 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Biofuel mailing list > >>>>>> <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>>>>> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >>>>>> <http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >>>>>> messages): > >>>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Biofuel mailing list > >>>>> <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>>>> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >>>>> > >>>>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >>>>> <http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >>>>> > >>>>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >>>>> messages): > >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Biofuel mailing list > >>>> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>>> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >>>> > >>>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >>>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >>>> > >>>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >>>> messages): > >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Biofuel mailing list > >>> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >>> > >>> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >>> > >>> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >>> messages): > >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Biofuel mailing list > >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >> > >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >> > >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >> messages): > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.6/324 - Release Date: 4/25/2006 > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Biofuel mailing list > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > > messages): > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Bob Allen > http://ozarker.org/bob > > "Science is what we have learned about how to keep > from fooling ourselves" — Richard Feynman > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > -- Thanks, PC He's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything. - Thomas A Edison _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
