As I said before predation doesnt make the news - it is suppressed. However there is some historical comment and it is as I said. See the reference to went out of business? That is the reality.
Same re cougers. A pair decimated the deer population on the mountain where I lived. When deer carcases were shown to fish and game they said dogs killed them. Why???? It was said to their face they were stupid lying b*strds and they just shrugged. Nothing was done by fish and game. The cats disappeared. (shot I suppose) The deer are recovering. Sad that vigilantes have to do the job of government. But that is the reality. Fish and game publish statistics they pull out of ****. Their population counts are fiction.
Seen it with my own eyes. Believe what you want. You will anyway.
Kirk
Up to 1949, the Fish and Game Branch employed personnel, some of whom were temporary, to attempt control of the extremely high wolf pop¬ulations of the central and northern portions of British Columbia. Coyotes were also very numerous in the central and southern regions and had to be considered because of their depredations. The field men were keen and conscientious but their efforts were not co-ordinated. Control areas were severely restricted in size as techniques were not adaptable enough and because of a lack of manpower. Eventually, sheepmen went out of business entirely over wide areas, cattlemen were subjected to huge annual losses, and sportsmen were very concerned. However, stock losses constituted the major complaint and resulted in ranchers demanding action* Two major changes came out of this. First, the bounty on wolves was raised and second, the present Predator Control Division was formed. The administration was convinced that a force of experienced, fully-trained field staff under a single supervision would be far more effective than bounty payments. Unfortunately, bounties were in vogue during that time and forced the necessity of proving the worth of organized controls before any consideration could be given to the elimination of the bounty system.
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_______________________________________________Kirk, I think I understand your position. And wolves are very keen preditors but again, I reiterate this link: http://www.ers.usda.gov/news/BSECoverage.htm Cattle inventory * January 1, 2003: o U.S.96.1 million, down from 1996 peak of 103.5 million o Canada13.5 million head * January 1, 2004 o U.S.94.9 million head (cyclical low) o Canada14.7 million head With an estimated 50,000 wolves (http://www.wolfsongalaska.org/canadian_wolves.html) it appears that Canada still has cows. Now, lets look at the per capita comparisons: .4 cows per person in Canada (32,000,000 pop: http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/demo02.htm?sdi=population ) .3 cows per person in the US (presuming 295 million as the population) In 1982, the US had about 39 Million head of beef cattle and now, we have 33.9 million. http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/usda/current/Catt/Catt-07-21-2006.pdf and there seems enough to go around. As far as the wildlife are concerned, that too is too complex to simply sum up with local data. So, yes, many don't see the wolf problem in the news. But then again, those who do see it probably fail to look at the broader picture and just presume that Wolves are a threat to all of us. Like I said, in Minnesota wolves are an issue but I don't fear for my life and the wildlife is certainly not doing badly with the wolves. http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/mammals/deer/facts.html and http://www.mnforsustain.org/wolf_mech_and_nelson_wolves_deer_harvest.htm show the numbers for wolves and deer in this state. The first link fails to mention the 200,000 deer harvested by hunting vs. the 40,000 by wolves. Anecdotal evidence is useful but the story, just as with the article you posted, is never told in its entirety and must be taken as just that, anecdotal and not universal. We make jokes about it, not to make fun of you but because we are not alarmed at the issue. Besides, my joke about the curtain was a subtext about the proposed fence between the US and Mexico. Regards, -dave On Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:04 PM, Kirk McLoren wrote:Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:04:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wolf attack near Grangeville The Canadians wet themselves laughing when we trapped wolves to take South. And a hearty thank you eh. If you want to understand what is coming here examine where we got the wolves. One fellow setting traps said he saw 1 deer print in 10 days. Thats all - the sum total. Everything. --If that is your idea of ecology have at it._______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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