Keith is too skinny Paul S Cantrell wrote:
> Oh wait, now I'm confused...I thought you were making BD from the > sheep, but now it is the wolves??? Little Red Riding Hood couldn't > keep up. > > On 8/7/06, *Zeke Yewdall * <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > well.... there was the thread a while ago about making biodiesel > from cats, and I recall we were going to turn Keith into > biodiesel, so I imagine you could use wolves too......... > > > On 8/7/06, *Mike Weaver* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > > Yeah, whatever. Can you make biodiesel out of them? > > Zeke Yewdall wrote: > >> Somehow, I doubt the wolves posess much danger to the elk and > deer >> populations long term, as they evolved together. They weren't a >> "problem" for thousands and thousands of years. Putting domestic >> animals that were relatively easy to kill, and that we "owned" in >> place of the native game was when the problem began. It's > sort of >> like leaving all your food out on the ground in bear country, > and then >> claiming the bears are the problem. We've compounded it by > reducing >> habitat for the wild game, so the wolves learn to eat other > prey that >> they normally wouldn't. It a classic case of overpopulation > of an >> atypical food species, which is usually kept in check by an > increase >> in predators that can eat them, but normally don't. It's > just rather >> uncomfortable to find that we and our livestock are the food > species >> in this equation, instead of some hapless field mice or such. >> >> That being said, I don't relish being eaten, so I think that > killing >> wolves that learn that humans are potential prey would > probably be a >> good idea. Long term, it's not going to solve anything since > we've >> caused the situation. But long term, it wouldnt be good for > wolves to >> learn that humans are prey, even after they have their native > game back. >> >> On 8/7/06, *Kirk McLoren* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> <mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> wrote: >> >> I lived in Montana for many years and some people still > remember >> the effort and expense we went to to remove them. Just > remember >> those midwest feedlots often fatten calves from Montana > Dakota >> Idaho Wyoming. They would be hard pressed to find stock > without >> those producers. That is what will happen if nothing is > done. That >> 60 ewes I quoted was as of last May, I dont have more > recent info >> as we sold our home back there. >> When the game are gone then they hunt domestic animals. > We are in >> that transition now. >> So far they just pay the rancher for the carcasses. I > havent seen >> much re control. >> I think it reasonable they will become the problem they > once were. >> They are still wolves and do what wolves do. >> Predators are predators. >> Kirk >> >> >> */DHAJOGLO <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>/* wrote: >> Kirk, >> I can't tell from your comment on this article whether > you feel >> issues with wolves are dealt with improperly or if you > feel the >> meat industry is going to take a real beating from them. > We have >> wolves here in Minnesota and the farmers truly hate them. > However, >> seeing as how the northern states make up a smaller > percentage of >> beef production, it seems the wolf impact would be > negligible. >> Looking at the USDA site, it appears that the beef > populations >> would have to take a significant hit (in the order of > hundreds of >> thousands) to really be impacted. Also, reading the post by >> Richard, he seems more concerned about the game > populations and >> our safety. >> >> Anyway, here is the link to the USDA with the numbers of our >> cattle industry: > http://www.ers.usda.gov/news/BSECoverage.htm > <http://www.ers.usda.gov/news/BSECoverage.htm> >> <http://www.ers.usda.gov/news/BSECoverage.htm> >> >> Regards, >> -dave >> >>>Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:03:57 -0700 (PDT) >>>From: Kirk McLoren >>>To: biofuel >>>Subject: [Biofuel] Wolf attack near Grangeville >>> >>>If you think beef is expensive now wait till more of them start >>>hunting cows instead of deer and elk. A wolf in Stanfield > killed 8 >>>steers in one night. So much for "they only kill for food". They >>>started on sheep last year. Some ranchers are going out of > business >>>soon. One fellow lost over 60 ewes this spring. >>>I bet none of you read any of this in the newspaper though. > Or on tv. >>>Kirk >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>"Lady and Blackey: Cry Wolf >>> >>>By Scott Richard >>> >>> Hi, my name is Scott Richards and >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuel mailing list >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > <mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org>> >> > > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > <http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list > archives (50,000 >> messages): >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Groups are talking. 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