On 8/7/06, Zeke Yewdall
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
well.... there was the thread a while ago about making biodiesel from cats, and I recall we were going to turn Keith into biodiesel, so I imagine you could use wolves too.........On 8/7/06, Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yeah, whatever. Can you make biodiesel out of them?
Zeke Yewdall wrote:
> Somehow, I doubt the wolves posess much danger to the elk and deer
> populations long term, as they evolved together. They weren't a
> "problem" for thousands and thousands of years. Putting domestic
> animals that were relatively easy to kill, and that we "owned" in
> place of the native game was when the problem began. It's sort of
> like leaving all your food out on the ground in bear country, and then
> claiming the bears are the problem. We've compounded it by reducing
> habitat for the wild game, so the wolves learn to eat other prey that
> they normally wouldn't. It a classic case of overpopulation of an
> atypical food species, which is usually kept in check by an increase
> in predators that can eat them, but normally don't. It's just rather
> uncomfortable to find that we and our livestock are the food species
> in this equation, instead of some hapless field mice or such.
>
> That being said, I don't relish being eaten, so I think that killing
> wolves that learn that humans are potential prey would probably be a
> good idea. Long term, it's not going to solve anything since we've
> caused the situation. But long term, it wouldnt be good for wolves to
> learn that humans are prey, even after they have their native game back.
>
> On 8/7/06, *Kirk McLoren* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> I lived in Montana for many years and some people still remember
> the effort and expense we went to to remove them. Just remember
> those midwest feedlots often fatten calves from Montana Dakota
> Idaho Wyoming. They would be hard pressed to find stock without
> those producers. That is what will happen if nothing is done. That
> 60 ewes I quoted was as of last May, I dont have more recent info
> as we sold our home back there.
> When the game are gone then they hunt domestic animals. We are in
> that transition now.
> So far they just pay the rancher for the carcasses. I havent seen
> much re control.
> I think it reasonable they will become the problem they once were.
> They are still wolves and do what wolves do.
> Predators are predators.
> Kirk
>
>
> */DHAJOGLO <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>>/* wrote:
> Kirk,
> I can't tell from your comment on this article whether you feel
> issues with wolves are dealt with improperly or if you feel the
> meat industry is going to take a real beating from them. We have
> wolves here in Minnesota and the farmers truly hate them. However,
> seeing as how the northern states make up a smaller percentage of
> beef production, it seems the wolf impact would be negligible.
> Looking at the USDA site, it appears that the beef populations
> would have to take a significant hit (in the order of hundreds of
> thousands) to really be impacted. Also, reading the post by
> Richard, he seems more concerned about the game populations and
> our safety.
>
> Anyway, here is the link to the USDA with the numbers of our
> cattle industry: http://www.ers.usda.gov/news/BSECoverage.htm
> <http://www.ers.usda.gov/news/BSECoverage.htm>
>
> Regards,
> -dave
>
>>Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:03:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>From: Kirk McLoren
>>To: biofuel
>>Subject: [Biofuel] Wolf attack near Grangeville
>>
>>If you think beef is expensive now wait till more of them start
>>hunting cows instead of deer and elk. A wolf in Stanfield killed 8
>>steers in one night. So much for "they only kill for food". They
>>started on sheep last year. Some ranchers are going out of business
>>soon. One fellow lost over 60 ewes this spring.
>>I bet none of you read any of this in the newspaper though. Or on tv.
>>Kirk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Lady and Blackey: Cry Wolf
>>
>>By Scott Richard
>>
>> Hi, my name is Scott Richards and
>
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