The helpers are still there. Just not included by default. I think you
need to <?php use_helper('Form'); ?> or include it other way.On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Sid Ferreira <sid....@gmail.com> wrote: > Actually I do like and use a lot of forms. > Im just looking as a new commer. > It isn't cause (framework name here) does something that everyone must to > do. > Maybe let the forms helper there, unused, as a way to new users learn before > really get into symfony. > Making it easyer. > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 07:16, michael.pie...@googlemail.com > <michael.pie...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> Sid Ferreira, and everyone complaining about the new forms, you don't >> have to use them for simple things! >> Just post your raw html form to an action, handle it with >> getPostParameter() and do something with it. >> >> It is NOT TRUE that you have to learn a lot of stuff just to do simple >> things. >> >> I don't use sfGuard, i don't use the generator, i don't use object >> routing. I had the choice to learn and use them, or to do it my way. >> And that's what i like about symfony. >> >> Michael >> >> >> On 25 Sep., 11:39, Sid Ferreira <sid....@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I was thinking about this, while making a sf1.0 project... and indeed >> > dispite of how good the new things in 1.2, it really got really >> > complex.In >> > some ways, to a new commer, use symfony isn't a good idea he doesn't >> > need >> > only to use MVC and ORM anymore, he needs to learn (and almost master) >> > the >> > symfony forms to the very first project. >> > >> > I mean, it's insane in this point of view that sf can't make it easyer >> > to >> > build a login form (let's ignore the plugin)... Almost against the >> > 'KISS' >> > principle. >> > >> > I think symfony is an expert weapon, but it is almost 'no newbies >> > allowed'... >> > >> > ps: I hope I made my self clear about it. >> > >> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 04:20, Alexandru-Emil Lupu >> > <gang.al...@gmail.com>wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Gareth, i might even say old php 3.. in php4 there were any oop >> > > layering in >> > > progress .. >> > >> > > Fabien, if i remember right (haven't work to much with Rails) symfony >> > > folder structure is much alike with Ruby on Rails. By the way. Please >> > > close >> > > this non sense thread. >> > >> > > Alecs >> > >> > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Gareth McCumskey >> > > <gmccums...@gmail.com>wrote: >> > >> > >> We recently hired a junior PHP developer, fresh out of college, >> > >> getting >> > >> his first taste of using PHP AND symfony in a production environment. >> > >> We >> > >> pretty much had to throw him in the deep end with using symfony and >> > >> the >> > >> associated documentation and give him work to do. >> > >> > >> Guess what? Because of symfony's abstracted nature and the ability >> > >> for >> > >> developers to focus on business logic, he is resolving bugs and >> > >> adding new >> > >> features all the time. The only time he stops to ask my help with >> > >> anything >> > >> is when it has to do with our OWN code implemented in symfony and NOT >> > >> the >> > >> framework itself. To me , thats evidence enough that the framework >> > >> and its >> > >> structure is not difficult to learn and get into for a new user who >> > >> is >> > >> willing to take the time and learn it. >> > >> > >> If we had built our application without symfony we would still be >> > >> very far >> > >> away from a releasable product costing the company more and more >> > >> money. >> > >> > >> All of your responses show someone who is stuck in the old PHP4 >> > >> procedural >> > >> line of thinking where its create functionality line by line and you >> > >> are >> > >> apparently not willing to invest the relaistically small amount of >> > >> time >> > >> required to use symfony. >> > >> > >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:34 AM, bghost <bggho...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > >>> And? Where you saw any recommendation to use <th> tags outside >> > >>> <thead> ?? >> > >>> I never said that any developer is stupid here. But now I have >> > >>> changed >> > >>> my opinion >> > >>> under the pressure of your arguments. >> > >> > >>> Anyway, finally I would say this: >> > >> > >>> Most of you are calling for some alleged benefits that are hidden >> > >>> behind terms >> > >>> like "re-usable, re-factoring" or "developer can concentrate on >> > >>> business logic" ... bla ... bla .. bla >> > >> > >>> 1st >> > >> > >>> What does it mean to do something re-usable? Do you really need to >> > >>> spend >> > >>> too much time on that if it will eventually be used once or just a >> > >>> few >> > >>> times? >> > >>> I heard many times: "Yes, make it re-usable...yes, yes, >> > >>> yes..ooooh....make it >> > >>> re-usable!" even if that is justified or not. >> > >> > >>> 2nd >> > >> > >>> What is the limit? How deep a developer should go with the "re- >> > >>> factoring"? >> > >>> Is it necessary to split templates into numerous small fragments and >> > >>> thus make >> > >>> them an extremely confusing and difficult to track? I heard many >> > >>> times: "Yes, >> > >>> re-factore it ...yes, yes, yes..ooooh....re-factore it!" even if >> > >>> that >> > >>> is justified or not. >> > >> > >>> 3rd >> > >> > >>> Most of you said that Symfony Framework enables developers to >> > >>> concentrate >> > >>> on business logic? Yes, that's OK. I just wanted to warn that in >> > >>> these >> > >>> efforts, >> > >>> Symfony developers are exaggerating a bit, which resulted with the >> > >>> intricate >> > >>> logic of the Symfony framework that hides the flow of the >> > >>> application >> > >>> to the level >> > >>> where it is very difficult to understand and monitor the >> > >>> application. >> > >> > >>> This is my last post here. >> > >> > >>> WBR, >> > >>> Ghost3D >> > >> > >>> On Sep 25, 2:52 am, Jeremy Thomerson <jeremythomer...@gmail.com> >> > >>> wrote: >> > >>> > I've avoided responding on this thread to this point because your >> > >>> > rude >> > >>> > foul-mouthed criticism is ridiculously ignorant and malicious. >> > >>> > But, >> > >>> since >> > >>> > you once again call all developers here stupid, please be quickly >> > >>> proven >> > >>> > wrong by reading the "INTRODUCTION TO TABLES" by the W3C. If you >> > >>> > don't >> > >>> know >> > >>> > who the W3C is, please try to do a little research. >> > >> > >>> >http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/tables.html#h-11.1 >> > >> > >>> > Jeremy >> > >> > >>> > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 7:27 PM, bghost <bggho...@gmail.com> >> > >>> > wrote: >> > >> > >>> > > Ok Eno, >> > >> > >>> > > I visited that link and I did not thrilled because I found >> > >>> > > something >> > >>> > > wrong again: >> > >> > >>> > > <form action="/frontend_dev.php/contact/submit" method="POST"> >> > >>> > > <table> >> > >> > >>> > > <!-- Beginning of generated code by <?php echo $form ?> >> > >>> > > --> >> > >>> > > <tr> >> > >>> > > <th><label for="name">Name</label></th> >> > >>> > > <td><input type="text" name="name" id="name" /></td> >> > >>> > > </tr> >> > >>> > > <tr> >> > >>> > > <th><label for="email">Email</label></th> >> > >>> > > <td><input type="text" name="email" id="email" /></td> >> > >>> > > </tr> >> > >>> > > <tr> >> > >>> > > <th><label for="message">Message</label></th> >> > >>> > > <td><textarea rows="4" cols="30" name="message" >> > >>> > > id="message"></ >> > >>> > > textarea></td> >> > >>> > > </tr> >> > >>> > > <!-- End of generated code by <?php echo $form ?> >> > >>> > > --> >> > >> > >>> > > <tr> >> > >>> > > <td colspan="2"> >> > >>> > > <input type="submit" /> >> > >>> > > </td> >> > >>> > > </tr> >> > >>> > > </table> >> > >>> > > </form> >> > >> > >>> > > So, what is the problem here: >> > >> > >>> > > <th> tag within the HTML table should never be used >> > >>> > > outside <thead> </thead>, because each web browser >> > >>> > > could interpreted this in different ways! Now I understand >> > >>> > > better why most of you loves the Symfony Form >> > >>> > > framework - most obviously does not even basic >> > >>> > > knowledge of the HTML. >> > >> > >>> > > WBR, >> > >>> > > Ghost3D >> > >> > >>> > > On Sep 25, 12:11 am, Eno <symb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >>> > > > On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, bghost wrote: >> > >>> > > > > This is bad formatted HTML - where is <table> tag? Using >> > >>> > > > > <tr>, >> > >>> <th> >> > >>> > > > > and <td> without table - terrible ! >> > >> > >>> > > > As the example in the docs show, *you* must supply that: >> > >> > >> > >>> >>>http://www.symfony-project.org/forms/1_2/en/01-Form-Creation#chapter_... >> > >> > >>> > > > -- >> > >> > >> -- >> > >> Gareth McCumskey >> > >>http://garethmccumskey.blogspot.com >> > >> twitter: @garethmcc >> > >> > > -- >> > > As programmers create bigger & better idiot proof programs, so the >> > > universe >> > > creates bigger & better idiots! >> > > I am on web: http://www.alecslupu.ro/ >> > > I am on twitter:http://twitter.com/alecslupu >> > > I am on linkedIn:http://www.linkedin.com/in/alecslupu >> > > Tel: (+4)0748.543.798 >> > >> > -- >> > Sidney G B Ferreira >> > Desenvolvedor Web >> > > > > -- > Sidney G B Ferreira > Desenvolvedor Web > > > > > -- Blue Horn Ltd - System Development http://bluehorn.co.nz --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony users" group. 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